[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Two incidents I heard about directly, today, from the source:

1) A friend of my wife lives in London, her mother is Greek and recently moved over here after her husband died, to live near her daughter and grandchild. Yesterday they were on the bus in the center of London - with her 6-year-old granddaughter I have to add - and a man went on an aggressive 10 minute long rant at her about how "the nation has voted and she needs to **** off back home" after he heard her accent. The bus was packed. Not one person said a word to help.

2) This one absolutely stunned me TBH. A Canadian guy we know - who is actually British - British parents born and raised, he was born in Canada and lived there until his teens (now in his 20's) and he still has a Canadian accent. He was out doing his shopping, was heading back to his car, someone behind him shouted "Go back to America we don't want you here" and when he turned around they punched him square in the jaw.


I'll also point out that I don't actually know that many people from outside the UK (most of my non-UK University friends "went home" happily after Uni) so it's not like I'm drawing from a huge sample size here. These are not isolated incidents, and they are not coincidences. England currently has a MAJOR problem with hate crime. The vote hasn't "changed anyone" of course and this isn't the majority of Leave voters or anything like that - bot those who DO hold these opinions are currently feeling bolstered and driven by an idea that "the country is behind them".

Oh and apparently it extends to Canadians and Americans, too?? It seems like anyone who doesn't have an English accent is fair game right now. To be honest, I don't imagine it's much fun having a Scottish or Irish accent and living in England right now, either.

why is this relevant to the referendum?

or is every racist attack now attributed to the referendum because it makes remainers feel better?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why is this relevant to the referendum?

or is every racist attack now attributed to the referendum because it makes remainers feel better?

To deny that it's not because of the referendum result is ridiculous to the point of delusion, LT. In the first case the man did specifically mention the vote. In the second we're talking about a guy who has lived here most of his life suddenly being attacked for having a Canadian accent.

As I said I don't even know many non-UK-native people personally and of the very small number I do know, two, who have never even felt uncomfortable in the country having been here YEARS or even over a decade, have been outright attacked less than a week after the referendum?

There's a limit to what you can realistically call coincidence LT, without it simply becoming a farce.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why is this relevant to the referendum?

or is every racist attack now attributed to the referendum because it makes remainers feel better?

Be careful, you'll get sand in your mouth.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why is this relevant to the referendum?

or is every racist attack now attributed to the referendum because it makes remainers feel better?

Hate crime should make nobody feel better.

Of course it can't be factually attached to the Referendum as hate crimes happen in this country every single day, but it's convenient that it seems to be in bigger numbers after the Referendum result than it was before the Referendum result.

In fact I miss the days when the verbal abuse on the Train was the biggest deal of racism in the country.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Hate crime should make nobody feel better.

Of course it can't be factually attached to the Referendum as hate crimes happen in this country every single day, but it's convenient that it seems to be in bigger numbers after the Referendum result than it was before the Referendum result.

In fact I miss the days when the verbal abuse on the Train was the biggest deal of racism in the country.

Even Police forces have said it is on the rise considerably since the referendum campaign and result Mock.

However the Police are likely lying too, anyone is that finds fault with the campaign with this result.

They seem to forget an MP was brutally murdered for her views on immigration and supporting refugees, when did that last happen for that reason, in the UK for goodness sake.
Another MP is standing down because during the campaign and afterwards she is getting death threats.

It will be nothing at all to do with that vile campaigning and posters and the tone as to immigration though but in my view it for sure is..

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It will be nothing at all to do with that vile campaigning and posters and the tone as to immigration though but in my view it for sure is..

American Jimmy Dore gets it right

Youtube video

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Quote: “the driving force (behind support for Brexit, and Trump) is economic insecurity and economic insecurity makes people vulnerable to racist demagogues”