[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people do get stress coughs it may be more related to that, than faking anything. Anyway, the questioner would surely just wait for her to finish coughing and ask the question again? Politicians are well versed in not answering questions in a thousand other ways so no need for her to resort to a cough

Good points, I agree.

[EspeonBB]

I mean I'd take a president who coughs a lot over Trump

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Trump is a manchild that's offensive to basically everyone and has no head for diplomacy and politics. He's far more likely to cause a war through being a ****ing idiot than Hillary is as she's more likely to want to keep the status quo as it is.

The status quo is endless war?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Doesn't mean much though... Both are absolutely terrible and a bleak future is ahead regardless.

..yeah totally this, Leon...I mean if it wasn't so awful, it would feel like a huge joke/almost funny...one of the most important jobs in the world and these are the two people that we're left with...of the whole population of America in terms of those in politics, really..?...any other job of far, far less importance if the candidates were so dire then the whole process would start again to find the right person..people wouldn't just 'make do' but not when it comes to a world leader though/bizarre...I can't get behind Hilary as being 'better than' or not as bad as etc because that should just never be a reason for something so important as this...you should vote for something because of something/because of positive reasons and not because of negatives of the alternative that you wouldn't want...

[Ammi]

..if Hilary doesn't like hard questions, she has a coughing fit...when Trump doesn't like, he has a hissy fit.../Jesus.H, this is the choice...

[Ammi]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah totally this, Leon...I mean if it wasn't so awful, it would feel like a huge joke/almost funny...one of the most important jobs in the world and these are the two people that we're left with...of the whole population of America in terms of those in politics, really..?...any other job of far, far less importance if the candidates were so dire then the whole process would start again to find the right person..people wouldn't just 'make do' but not when it comes to a world leader though/bizarre...I can't get behind Hilary as being 'better than' or not as bad as etc because that should just never be a reason for something so important as this...you should vote for something because of something/because of positive reasons and not because of negatives of the alternative that you wouldn't want...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

The status quo is endless war?

Yeah, she's taking the fight to those millionaire Junior Doctors you keep going on about.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by arista

"Maybe she has a cold"


No

How could you possibly know that

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah totally this, Leon...I mean if it wasn't so awful, it would feel like a huge joke/almost funny...one of the most important jobs in the world and these are the two people that we're left with...of the whole population of America in terms of those in politics, really..?...any other job of far, far less importance if the candidates were so dire then the whole process would start again to find the right person..people wouldn't just 'make do' but not when it comes to a world leader though/bizarre...I can't get behind Hilary as being 'better than' or not as bad as etc because that should just never be a reason for something so important as this...you should vote for something because of something/because of positive reasons and not because of negatives of the alternative that you wouldn't want...

Basically. I'm writing in my vote. I can't vote for either out of principle. Neither are fit and I can't stomach voting for someone who I don't think deserves my vote. I would rather write in Bear as my presidential vote.

Truly, I think in part we face these issues because the political mainstream has become akin to a wrestling match (that is two extreme rivalries up against either ends). This has meant full on pandering to some of the most lopsided politically spectrum of our country in order to get access to the political stage (i.e. get ratings) which is how we ended up with Trump.

Calm and steady leadership doesn't get media coverage and subsequently, less funding. It's impossible to run a presidential campaign without having tons of "connections" (in other words, sell out) and lots of $$$ from the outset. That said, I don't know who could replace them that people will actually vote for... our politics are in a dire state. Even if you get someone up there who is decent, they won't get adequate coverage unless they've already been vetted by the public in some manner by going viral, etc.

I still recommend this article to people because it mentions how some of the inner workings of our political system have been changed in such a way that aided the process of completely disintegrating bipartisanship.

How American Politics Went Insane
It happened gradually—and until the U.S. figures out how to treat the problem, it will only get worse.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...insane/485570/

Personally I think we are headed for inevitable change on a cultural scale like we've never seen before, partly due to the internet, and that the public outcry is simply the start of many growing pains as people adjust to getting along in a culturally mixed society that doesn't have a strong centered mainstream narrative anymore to guide it. I don't think either parties are relevant anymore and are running on outdated modes of thinking. I would like to see the two football teams broken up and made into a 3-4 party system so that different demographics are more properly represented... a two party system just doesn't cut it anymore when the voice of Americans is too varied, too complex to carry with one single choose this or that narrative...

[Brother Leon]

It's only made more annoying, because Jill Stein would make a far better First Woman President than "I'm With Her" Hilary Clinton.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Hilary Clinton scares the **** out of me.I mean which is worse building a wall between the US and Mexico(which will never happen) or getting us into more and more wars until we eventually get vapourised.Atleast Trump seems like he's against war.
Whichever way it goes the US is fecked and it will have knock on effects for the world.Both terrible dangerous candidates but of the two i reckon Trump is less dangerous.

what do you mean getting us into wars? SHe's not interesting in STARTING any wars. she's definitely interested in the wars that are already costing countless lives though, as any world leader should be. Russia is the one starting wars, Georgia and Ukraine

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

what do you mean getting us into wars? SHe's not interesting in STARTING any wars. she's definitely interested in the wars that are already costing countless lives though, as any world leader should be. Russia is the one starting wars, Georgia and Ukraine

lol she has armed 1000s of maniacs in syria and iraq and left a vast swathe of weapons that have fallen into the hands of isis

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

lol she has armed 1000s of maniacs in syria and iraq and left a vast swathe of weapons that have fallen into the hands of isis

picking a side is not starting a war or even fueling it. did you conveniently ignore the news this week of Russia supported Assad using Chemical weapons on his own people?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

picking a side is not starting a war or even fueling it. did you conveniently ignore the news this week of Russia supported Assad using Chemical weapons on his own people?

shes practically armed isis ....the woman is a total maniac....shes totally abused the vats swatches of government classified information and loads of the leaks prove how she inadvertently armed these psychopaths that created isis , the biggest terrorist group in history. she has lied endlessly about it. time she shows humility and admits her staggering failures. otherwise trump will continue to wipe out her lead....down from 7,9% to 3% in the 4 weeks since the democratic convention where she was only boosted by the charisma of the obamas and her skirt chasing hubby

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

shes practically armed isis ....the woman is a total maniac....shes totally abused the vats swatches of government classified information and loads of the leaks prove how she inadvertently armed these psychopaths that created isis , the biggest terrorist group in history. she has lied endlessly about it. time she shows humility and admits her staggering failures. otherwise trump will continue to wipe out her lead....down from 7,9% to 3% in the 4 weeks since the democratic convention where she was only boosted by the charisma of the obamas and her skirt chasing hubby

so... you are totally ignoring the whole Assad using chemical weapons thing with Russias support huh? really?

[bots]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so... you are totally ignoring the whole Assad using chemical weapons thing with Russias support huh? really?

not sure what relevance that has to Clinton/Trump

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

I'm loving this as a metaphor .

...because of course the truth is that both choices are the same poison - with the twist being that the person(/people) who proposed the choice knew that both options were poison and simply spent years beforehand building up an immunity to that poison.

It's actually perfect.

[Kizzy]

As I see it it suggests the guy on the left would expect you to use your common sense, it seems that is a virtue sadly lacking among a growing number at home and in the US.

[Smithy]

Do you want trump to win Arista?