[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...no obviously not Kirk, well I presume not, that isn't in question but there would be very little to debate with that, just reporting...it's the so many other perspectives of media coverage/portrayal etc/how we view those which present the debate though with these things.../that's how things branch off and debates are formed surely...like the headline that some media adopted in saying this was about gummibears etc...that's an emotional head-line, it's not using the facts that led to this, it's attention grabbing and leads to a very negative for all immigrants because if two people were responsible and did this/which is apparent..?...then the other however many immigrants in that camp had no part in it...

The nutella and gummibears thing I imagine is probably a quote from someone...so could've been true, but one of those cases you needed more first hand knowledge in order to verify... (or at least better sources)...because it is a little unbelievable, no matter your political affiliation, to believe such a headline when many outfits will stretch the truth just the same without evidence. Whose to say they didn't "improve" upon the original headline using a known food list... it wouldn't technically be a lie

Even if it is over candy, that's the trigger, but what were they really upset about?... many would say. Unless the perp himself is on video saying that's why he did it... the response, well maybe he's mental. Which isn't too far off from my own logic when it comes to some criminal behavior... who goes out of their way to ruin a building, get locked up... over food.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Maru

The nutella and gummibears thing I imagine is probably a quote from someone...so could've been true, but one of those cases you needed more first hand knowledge in order to verify... (or at least better sources)...because it is a little unbelievable, no matter your political affiliation, to believe such a headline when many outfits will stretch the truth just the same without evidence. Whose to say they didn't "improve" upon the original headline using a known food list... it wouldn't technically be a lie

Even if it is over candy, that's the trigger, but what were they really upset about?... many would say. Unless the perp himself is on video saying that's why he did it... the response, well maybe he's mental. Which isn't too far off from my own logic when it comes to some criminal behavior... who goes out of their way to ruin a building, get locked up... over food.

...obviously it's impossible to know all details but it would seem that it was a build up of tensions concerning some of the Iranian staff there..(I think only a very few staff, but yeah causing tensions and dissent to build..)...and then Ramadan observance being a trigger, there are a few more details but none of it really condones or justifies the actions of destruction and endangering lives...

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...obviously it's impossible to know all details but it would seem that it was a build up of tensions concerning some of the Iranian staff there..(I think only a very few staff, but yeah causing tensions and dissent to build..)...and then Ramadan observance being a trigger, there are a few more details but none of it really condones or justifies the actions of destruction and endangering lives...

That narrative makes total sense. Though just to reiterate a point I made earlier (some pages back probably). I wouldn't discount fights over something as basic as candy being one of the reasons, just because people here have fought over minor things as such and stabbed others, flooded cells, started riots, etc... all behaviors common among criminals. Not showing good judgement, anger management issues, going off at the slightest of offense, feeling the need to pick a fight to prove some sort of point... or the ones who just do things because they can get away with it. On the other hand some know exactly what they're doing... meanwhile another half just does it because they can. To me, doesn't mean that migrants == criminals as it's more a statement of the individual(s) who are indeed criminals in their own right... any population you let in, there will always be a crop of such. 1 is too many for some of us when you consider that the Western World has basically been at war with radical Islam for the past 15 years... so giving them any chance to find a foothold here is a big no no... though as the elections have clearly proven, our populations don't necessarily agree on that sentiment anymore. For me, it is hard to believe there are kids now in high school who weren't even alive during 9/11... and soon they too will be voting age.

If this happened in the US, it'd probably be dumbed down to "Muslim refugees" retaliating at a center, etc...I don't think the reasoning would really matter in the long run, as the aftermath would leave a huge mess and the details would be lost. For being a nation made up of other cultures, we're not so tolerant of those coming in and changing with our preconceived paradigms... but then we've never had to be concerned with easily crossable boundaries such as those in the Europe. Had 9/11 not happened, perhaps things would be very different too and maybe would be more willing to welcome more in... as I seem to recall the US being warmer about these things back then. Not really sure though what we would've done... but I ponder...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Maru

That narrative makes total sense. Though just to reiterate a point I made earlier (some pages back probably). I wouldn't discount fights over something as basic as candy being one of the reasons, just because people here have fought over minor things as such and stabbed others, flooded cells, started riots, etc... all behaviors common among criminals. Not showing good judgement, anger management issues, going off at the slightest of offense, feeling the need to pick a fight to prove some sort of point... or the ones who just do things because they can get away with it. On the other hand some know exactly what they're doing... meanwhile another half just does it because they can. To me, doesn't mean that migrants == criminals as it's more a statement of the individual(s) who are indeed criminals in their own right... any population you let in, there will always be a crop of such. 1 is too many for some of us when you consider that the Western World has basically been at war with radical Islam for the past 15 years... so giving them any chance to find a foothold here is a big no no... though as the elections have clearly proven, our populations don't necessarily agree on that sentiment anymore. For me, it is hard to believe there are kids now in high school who weren't even alive during 9/11... and soon they too will be voting age.

If this happened in the US, it'd probably be dumbed down to "Muslim refugees" retaliating at a center, etc...I don't think the reasoning would really matter in the long run, as the aftermath would leave a huge mess and the details would be lost. For being a nation made up of other cultures, we're not so tolerant of those coming in and changing with our preconceived paradigms... but then we've never had to be concerned with easily crossable boundaries such as those in the Europe. Had 9/11 not happened, perhaps things would be very different too and maybe would be more willing to welcome more in... as I seem to recall the US being warmer about these things back then. Not really sure though what we would've done... but I ponder...

Another great post with one valid comment after another.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The TRUTH is that the immigrants BURNED DOWN the Asylum Centre.

The claim that at least one of the protesting immigrants included the complaint that there was no confectionary among the other complaints HAS been reported by more than one source, but that is IRRELEVANT anyway because it is minor detail, minutiae which whether correct or not SHOULD NOT be clutched at like a straw by a drowning man to deflect from the TRUTH that THE IMMIGRANTS DID BURN DOWN the Asylum Centre.

Agreed, so then why include such a "minor detail" in the tabloid headlines / thread topics as to inflate the importance of such a minor detail and detract from the main story? Why make a minor detail a major focus? The answer is fairly simple; to sensationalise. To create the impression that something so ridiculous and petty has prompted such madness as arson. To make the already shocking and ungrateful action seem even MOREso. To reaffirm people's beliefs about the "sort of people" we're dealing with. Confirmation bias... Preposterous frill that actually detracts from the facts.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Agreed, so then why include such a "minor detail" in the tabloid headlines / thread topics as to inflate the importance of such a minor detail and detract from the main story? Why make a minor detail a major focus? The answer is fairly simple; to sensationalise. To create the impression that something so ridiculous and petty has prompted such madness as arson. To make the already shocking and ungrateful action seem even MOREso. To reaffirm people's beliefs about the "sort of people" we're dealing with. Confirmation bias... Preposterous frill that actually detracts from the facts.

But I DO genuinely agree with EVERYTHING you say here. For my part, I have already confessed that I was a little lazy in posting.

But ALL media and Political Parties use the same tactics of 'Fact Embroidery' if you like.

[Cherie]

8 page thread Kirk, you're doing something right

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Maru

That narrative makes total sense. Though just to reiterate a point I made earlier (some pages back probably). I wouldn't discount fights over something as basic as candy being one of the reasons, just because people here have fought over minor things as such and stabbed others, flooded cells, started riots, etc... all behaviors common among criminals. Not showing good judgement, anger management issues, going off at the slightest of offense, feeling the need to pick a fight to prove some sort of point... or the ones who just do things because they can get away with it. On the other hand some know exactly what they're doing... meanwhile another half just does it because they can. To me, doesn't mean that migrants == criminals as it's more a statement of the individual(s) who are indeed criminals in their own right... any population you let in, there will always be a crop of such. 1 is too many for some of us when you consider that the Western World has basically been at war with radical Islam for the past 15 years... so giving them any chance to find a foothold here is a big no no... though as the elections have clearly proven, our populations don't necessarily agree on that sentiment anymore. For me, it is hard to believe there are kids now in high school who weren't even alive during 9/11... and soon they too will be voting age.

If this happened in the US, it'd probably be dumbed down to "Muslim refugees" retaliating at a center, etc...I don't think the reasoning would really matter in the long run, as the aftermath would leave a huge mess and the details would be lost. For being a nation made up of other cultures, we're not so tolerant of those coming in and changing with our preconceived paradigms... but then we've never had to be concerned with easily crossable boundaries such as those in the Europe. Had 9/11 not happened, perhaps things would be very different too and maybe would be more willing to welcome more in... as I seem to recall the US being warmer about these things back then. Not really sure though what we would've done... but I ponder...

..yeah I think for me the opening up of Europe and being more assessable has been a great positive and something I've enjoyed being part of but then that same opening up has also meant an opening up to those extremes that would mean us harm as well, I understand that and it's keeping perspective there also.../that's always sadly going to be the way...these two men were extreme in their actions, there is no excuse for what they did..the camps conditions are grim but they're the same for everyone, equally as grim, you know...and very hard for the local people as well, which is where it would appear most of the hostile actions have come from, from the link I think you posted Maru.../so just very difficult for everyone and a huge 'build up' also...and that is often the way as well, the thing that 'tips that balance' between coping and not coping through such struggling times and these actions can often be something that can appear quite small to some but it has become a huge thing in that person's world and environment...'that point where reason and rational has gone'.... everyone has the ability to reach that but their specific actions and reactions etc are still accountable for completely...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

8 page thread Kirk, you're doing something right

Yeah, they'd be lost without me, really Cherie.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yeah, they'd be lost without me, really Cherie.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Agreed, so then why include such a "minor detail" in the tabloid headlines / thread topics as to inflate the importance of such a minor detail and detract from the main story? Why make a minor detail a major focus? The answer is fairly simple; to sensationalise. To create the impression that something so ridiculous and petty has prompted such madness as arson. To make the already shocking and ungrateful action seem even MOREso. To reaffirm people's beliefs about the "sort of people" we're dealing with. Confirmation bias... Preposterous frill that actually detracts from the facts.

...anyways just before I log off, just thinking a bit about what you've said and I agree, stories and discussions will find their own importance and just because of the importance of them...and no media bits and bobs and frills needed etc which are only there for a media agenda...I blame it all on Katie Hopkins and her sensationalist style of media.....the lady holds a lot of responsibility, yeah she does most certainly get people talking and does make some worthy discussion points also but she really is there more for her own self promotion, more getting herself talked about as much as the topics she brings up so the importance of things becoming too diluted...and also provoking extreme reactions and opinions by her own extremes in her methods...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Maru

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Agreed, so then why include such a "minor detail" in the tabloid headlines / thread topics as to inflate the importance of such a minor detail and detract from the main story? Why make a minor detail a major focus? The answer is fairly simple; to sensationalise. To create the impression that something so ridiculous and petty has prompted such madness as arson. To make the already shocking and ungrateful action seem even MOREso. To reaffirm people's beliefs about the "sort of people" we're dealing with. Confirmation bias... Preposterous frill that actually detracts from the facts.

Its called sales TS and dont kid yourself that everyone does not do it

from selling your car or house to selling multinational companies to selling papers

We all sell the sizzle

not the sausage

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its called sales TS and dont kid yourself that everyone does not do it

from selling your car or house to selling multinational companies to selling papers

We all sell the sizzle

not the sausage

Just because most people do it does not mean that everyone SHOULD do it . I refuse to believe that we must cater to the lowest common denominator. We're better than that goshdarnit

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Just because most people do it does not mean that everyone SHOULD do it . I refuse to believe that we must cater to the lowest common denominator. We're better than that goshdarnit

We are all drawn to the honey and not the bee

dont fight it TS

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

We are all drawn to the honey and not the bee

dont fight it TS

No. It has to start somewhere. The revolution can begin, right here on Tibb.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No. It has to start somewhere. The revolution can begin, right here on Tibb.

yes it will begin and then a mod will delete it

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes it will begin and then a mod will delete it

Not if one of the chosen few starts it .

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Agreed, so then why include such a "minor detail" in the tabloid headlines / thread topics as to inflate the importance of such a minor detail and detract from the main story? Why make a minor detail a major focus? The answer is fairly simple; to sensationalise. To create the impression that something so ridiculous and petty has prompted such madness as arson. To make the already shocking and ungrateful action seem even MOREso. To reaffirm people's beliefs about the "sort of people" we're dealing with. Confirmation bias... Preposterous frill that actually detracts from the facts.

Excellent post, the OP was unapologetically baity and the source used is genuinely insane. Jihadwatch.org does not belong in serious news, the entire website is pathetic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Excellent post, the OP was unapologetically baity and the source used is genuinely insane. Jihadwatch.org does not belong in serious news, the entire website is pathetic.

And yet when another member uses The Canary you and the other left leaning members stay silent?

interesting...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And yet when another member uses The Canary you and the other left leaning members stay silent?

interesting...

Link to any thread that has used this? Never even heard of it until now.

[Northern Monkey]

Are Gummy Bears even Halal?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not if one of the chosen few starts it .

Ain't that the truth

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Link to any thread that has used this? Never even heard of it until now.

just have a trawl through some Kizzy posts at your leisure as she has used it twice maybe 3 times recently.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Withano

Excellent post, the OP was unapologetically baity and the source used is genuinely insane. Jihadwatch.org does not belong in serious news, the entire website is pathetic.

You post is insane, though you should be expert upon the subject of baiting. I have not noticed one comment from you about the actual fact of the crime, nor the circumstances surrounding it, just posts which criticise other posts.

I do not care about your views, on my posts, Jihadwatch, or ANYTHING else - though I respect your right to post them.