[Livia]

Originally Posted by NicolaMcSlay

so i gotta say i voted trump, and yes i am gay too before i start my take on this.

1. If this was a "muslim ban" he would of ban the other 45 different countries in the world with muslim majority populations, the roll out for this was terrible.
2. He took Obama's list of most dangerous countries and took it a step further than him, but nobody made a big deal about this because hes a "democrat" "FOR THE PEOPLE!!!"
3. This isn't a permanent ban... it is a temp 90 day stop period until the government gets a new plan/way to check people coming in and out of these countries to make sure our country stays safe.
4. Take a lesson out of Europe's books, they let anyone and everyone come in and it's looking more like the middle east, women being raped, bombs and shootings everyday by migrants. It's fine if people come and would like to fit into the european style of living, but do not come to Europe/United States and expect us to conform to your way of life because it is a PRIVILAGE to come here.

this is my take.. i'll be waiting for the I'M RACIST people when muslim isn't even a race

Great post... welcome to the forum.

[DemolitionRed]

Fridays update on Trumps total arrogance and disrespect for the law...

SEATTLE — A U.S. judge on Friday temporarily blocked President Donald Trump’s ban on travelers and immigrants from seven predominantly Muslim countries after Washington state and Minnesota urged a nationwide hold on the executive order that has launched legal battles across the country.
U.S. District Judge James Robart in Seattle ruled that the states had standing to challenge Trump’s order, which government lawyers disputed, and said they showed their case was likely to succeed.
“The state has met its burden in demonstrating immediate and irreparable injury,” Robart said.
Trump’s order last week sparked protests nationwide and confusion at airports as some travelers were detained. The White House has argued that it will make the country safer.
Washington became the first state to sue over the order that temporarily bans travel for people from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen and suspends the U.S. refugee program.
State Attorney General Bob Ferguson said this week that the travel ban significantly harms residents and effectively mandates discrimination. Minnesota joined the suit two days later.
After the ruling, Ferguson said people from the affected countries can now apply for entry to the U.S.
“Judge Robart’s decision, effective immediately ... puts a halt to President Trump’s unconstitutional and unlawful executive order,” Ferguson said. “The law is a powerful thing — it has the ability to hold everybody accountable to it, and that includes the president of the United States.”
. . . .
Ferguson said the order is harming Washington residents, businesses and its education system. It will reduce tax revenue and impose significant costs on state agencies, as well as make it impossible for some state employees and students to travel, he said.
Washington-based businesses Amazon, Expedia and Microsoft support the state’s efforts to stop the order. They say it’s hurting their operations, too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/us…
The Seattle Judge went farther than the US District court judges in NYC, Alexandria, VA and Los Angeles, whose orders were read to apply to “green card”/legal residents of the US, who were banned from reentry to the US by Pres. Trump’s Executive Order. The Seattle Order reaches travel visas.
I’m sure the Court found it helpful to hear from Amazon, Expedia and Microsoft, about the damage the Executive Order does to Big Biz.
With each new temporary order entered by a US District Court, all of which orders are of temporary duration, and last only until a subsequent hearing (at which a temporary injunction may be issued, which would last for the duration of each lawsuit) the impact is that the ban against enforcement of Executive Order is lengthened. It only takes one such Order to negate enforcement of the EO.
To borrow a verb from the Rightie posters who reported judicial actions upon President Obama’s EO’s and policies, four separate US District Court judges have now “slammed” DJT’s first move on immigration.

[Tom4784]

Come thru the US Justice system

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Come thru the US Justice system

Lets see what Trump does next. I'm guessing it won't be pretty!

[Kizzy]

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Decapitating people (and freedom) is something Muslims do - not advisable to confuse their behaviour with that of Westerners, or are we simply practicing double standards again.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Decapitating people (and freedom) is something Muslims do - not advisable to confuse their behaviour with that of Westerners.

To your credit, at least you're simply outright racist instead of trying to mask it / pretend not to be, like most people who post sentiments such as this.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To your credit, at least you're simply outright racist instead of trying to mask it / pretend not to be, like most people who post sentiments such as this.

Nothing to do with being racist or not - the 'sentiment' is simply a fact, name-calling doesn't change that. Besides Muslim is a RELIGION not a race and is practised by those of different skin colours. Amazed by how many on here confuse the two.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Nothing to do with being racist or not - the 'sentiment' is simply a fact, name-calling doesn't change that. Besides Muslim is a RELIGION not a race and is practised by those of different skin colours. Amazed by how many on here confuse the two.

Would you prefer xenophobe, then? Regardless it's really not up for debate - the statement that "Decapitating people is something Muslims do, not Westerners" is sweeping, ignorant and xenophobic.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Would you prefer xenophobe, then? Regardless it's really not up for debate - the statement that "Decapitating people is something Muslims do, not Westerners" is sweeping, ignorant and xenophobic.

Wrong again. I have no issues with most people from other countries I simply have issues with a certain regions ideology.

I think the term you may be looking for is 'islamophobic' despite your attempts to go round the houses and accuse me of something less acceptable.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Nothing to do with being racist or not - the 'sentiment' is simply a fact, name-calling doesn't change that. Besides Muslim is a RELIGION not a race and is practised by those of different skin colours. Amazed by how many on here confuse the two.

Out of interest, would you openly admit that you are Islamophobic?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Withano

Out of interest, would you openly admit that you are Islamophobic?

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Wrong again. I have no issues with most people from other countries I simply have issues with a certain regions ideology.

I think the term you may be looking for is 'islamophobic' despite your attempts to go round the houses and accuse me of something less acceptable.

Oh lol, guess so.

New question, do you believe that islamophobics are any better of people than those who hate people based on their race/religion/sexuality/gender/nationality, or do you agree that all of those listed are towards the bottom of the Earth?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Nothing to do with being racist or not - the 'sentiment' is simply a fact, name-calling doesn't change that. Besides Muslim is a RELIGION not a race and is practised by those of different skin colours. Amazed by how many on here confuse the two.

If you want to get pedantic, we could say there is no such thing as race but if religion is not a race, why are the Jews classed as a race?
People try telling me that I'm a Jewess because of my ancestral heritage.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Oh lol, guess so.

New question, do you believe that islamophobics are any better of people than those who hate people based on their race/religion/sexuality/grnder, or do you agree that all of those listed are towards the bottom of the Earth?

Oops jumped the gun a bit there didn't you, no surprises there then.

I strongly dislike a religion that hates women for no other reason than they are women. Try as you wil to imply that it is it there is nothing wrong with disliking/disapproving of and questioning a religon and those that support its ideology. It is the right of many.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If you want to get pedantic, we could say there is no such thing as race but if religion is not a race, why are the Jews classed as a race?
People try telling me that I'm a Jewess because of my ancestral heritage.

I would have thought that simply put race = skin colour and religion = beliefs. Not the same thing at all.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I would have thought that simply put race = skin colour and religion = beliefs. Not the same thing at all.

So why are the Jews a race?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So why are the Jews a race?

I have no idea, I'm not Jewish.

[user104658]

"I'm not a xenophobe, I'm just an islamophobe, you dun kno wut ur talking about".

Islamophobia is a form of xenophobia. You are a xenophobe. But I don't know why you're complaining; like I said at least you are an out and proud xenophobe rather than slithering about pretending NOT to be one, like so many feel inclined to do.

It was a compliment.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"I'm not a xenophobe, I'm just an islamophobe, you dun kno wut ur talking about".

Islamophobia is a form of xenophobia. You are a xenophobe. But I don't know why you're complaining; like I said at least you are an out and proud xenophobe rather than slithering about pretending NOT to be one, like so many feel inclined to do.

It was a compliment.

Claws. Not me slithering about.

Your 'compliments' are as charming as your snide innuendos and double standards.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Claws. Not me slithering about.

Your 'compliments' are as charming as your snide innuendos and double standards.

Talking about double standards in a thread where you're basically claiming that 'snide innuendos' are a disgrace but Islamophobic posts are fine

I think you need a rest. Im tired for you. How do you keep up with your own nonsense.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Talking about double standards in a thread where you're basically claiming that 'snide innuendos' are a disgrace but Islamophobic posts are fine

I think you need a rest. Im tired for you. How do you keep up with your own nonsense.

I didn't invite your comments on my post so feel free to ignore. I'm tired of your nonsense too - so your point is what exactly.

And for the record disliking and questioning certain religious ideology and those that support it is neither a disgrace or a crime and cannot even be compared to hating 50% of the population for an accident of birth.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I have no idea, I'm not Jewish.

And you're not a Muslim either and yet you seem to be very keyed up about how all Muslims think and behave.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I didn't invite your comments on my post so feel free to ignore. I'm tired of your nonsense too - so your point is what exactly.

And for the record disliking and questioning certain religious ideology and those that support it is neither a disgrace or a crime and cannot even be compared to hating 50% of the population for an accident of birth.

Youve put your opinions on a public forum, youve genuinely invited comments from anybody who might see them. Dont cry about not liking my replies. Post your opinions on a private group or a different forum if you want to choose who sees them.
I mean thats the basics of tibb in general, you should have learned this before your 800th post.
Youre right, islamophobia is not a crime, nor is racism or sexism technically. Im not accusing you of being a lawbreaker, im accusing you of being islamophobic. And asking you whether you think your hatred is less stupid than a common sexist or racist (it isnt)
'The sexism is way worse than islamophobia because 50% of people are women' argument is dumb, i think you know that though. If you dont where is the cut off?
Irrational hate of people is irrational hatred. Get over yourself.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And you're not a Muslim either and yet you seem to be very keyed up about how all Muslims think and behave.

Because I happen to be one of the 50% they hate so much. Pretty relieved that as a woman I wasn't born in a Muslim country. There is an important principle at stake and the treatment of women by this religion should neither be ignored or defended.

I am surprised that you are surprised by that.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Youve put your opinions on a public forum, youve genuinely invited comments from anybody who might see them. Dont cry about not liking my replies. Post your opinions on a private group or a different forum if you want to choose who sees them.
I mean thats the basics of tibb in general, you should have learned this before your 800th post.
Youre right, islamophobia is not a crime, nor is racism or sexism technically. Im not accusing you of being a lawbreaker, im accusing you of being islamophobic. And asking you whether you think your hatred is less stupid than a common sexist or racist (it isnt)
'The sexism is way worse than islamophobia because 50% of people are women' argument is dumb, i think you know that though. If you dont where is the cut off?
Irrational hate of people is irrational hatred. Get over yourself.

Get over yourself in thinking you have the right to tell me how to think. There is nothing untrue in anything I have said. You just blindly defend because it is PC to do so. No thought processes required.

Your lack of concern about the way women are treated by this religion could be construed as supporting such sexist views so get off your high horse in your attacks on my character.