[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What is happening in Syria right now? What is happening to women in Saudi right now? What is happening in parts of Africa right now? Are you trying to deny that this goes on in these counties right now under certain regimes? Is there anyone to help them? Do they have laws to protect them?

Do these crimes occur on the same scale here? Do we have a system in place that outlaws it and punishes? There is no comparison and if you don't understand that - I feel for you.

But you not only thought this was relevant to 'our' history, it almost comes off as you trying to excuse 'our' history, and the idea that you brought race into it at all appears incredibly telling of your mindset.
You havent retracted or elaborated upon any of this, so what are we supposed to believe other than you having a high bias for your own race.
Because when you read 'our history' you firstly automatically jumped to race, which on its own is worrying, then you pointed out the flaws of other races, and lastly pointed out the successes of your own race.
Brillo, you are honestly heavily implying something and I think you need to start taking this seriously or step away from the keyboard.
I'm not making the obvious allegation, because I'm not convinced that you are aware of how your posts have come across.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She was referring to british history, it is you that leapt to race. Look at these two posts.





Kizzy didn't bring race into it, you made that leap and it's undeniable.

What British history do you think she is taking about then!

[Northern Monkey]

Everyone quoting Brillos post and totally ignoring the very first sentence....

'If you don't believe that everyone, every race and every country has as history not to be so proud of then you are deluded.'

Context anyone?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What is happening in Syria right now? What is happening to women in Saudi right now? What is happening in parts of Africa right now? Are you trying to deny that this goes on in these counties right now under certain regimes? Is there anyone to help them? Do they have laws to protect them?

Do these crimes occur on the same scale here? Do we have a system in place that outlaws it and punishes? There is no comparison and if you don't understand that - I feel for you.

So what are you saying, these people don't know how to behave because they are not White or British?..... :/

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

But you not only thought this was relevant to 'our' history, it almost comes off as you trying to excuse 'our' history, and the idea that you brought race into it at all appears incredibly telling of your mindset.
You havent retracted or elaborated upon any of this, so what are we supposed to believe other than you having a high bias for your own race.
Because when you read 'our history' you firstly automatically jumped to race, which on its own is worrying, then you pointed out the flaws of other races, and lastly pointed out the successes of your own race.
Brillo, you are honestly heavily implying something and I think you need to start taking this seriously or step away from the keyboard.
I'm not making the obvious allegation, because I'm not convinced that you are aware of how your posts have come across.

How did I excuse our history by stating a fact that every race has a history? How did that determine my mindset in your mind?

A couple of you are trying to put words in my mouth now for obvious reasons so I will only respond to posters without such an agenda.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Everyone quoting Brillos post and totally ignoring the very first sentence....

'If you don't believe that everyone, every race and every country has as history not to be so proud of then you are deluded.'

Context anyone?

Isn't that just stating the bleeding obvious? To get some context examine what was said after that sentence also.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How did I excuse our history by stating a fact that every race has a history? How did that determine my mindset in your mind?

A couple of you are trying to put words in my mouth now for obvious reasons so I will only respond to posters without such an agenda.

I wasn't expecting you to explain your reasoning tbh

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How did I excuse our history by stating a fact that every race has a history? How did that determine my mindset in your mind?

A couple of you are trying to put words in my mouth now for obvious reasons so I will only respond to posters without such an agenda.

Genuinely tried to help you straighten your weird post, leave it as it is, i dont ****ing care.
We saw you jump from 'our history' to going off on a tangent about races. This is weird, this is worrying, and this might suggest to those that do not know you that you have an irrational obsession with race. It was never a discussion point that you had in the thread.
If you believe that people are trying to put words in your mouth, that is because others have probably read your posts in a different way than you intended. This is progress. You should determine which of your words caused confusion and elaborate on what you were trying to say.
Every race has a history, sure, this was never really relevant. The fact that you thought it was paramount is unsettling.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It is completely deniable. I stated the obvious. As already mentioned colonial British history is white so who else would she be talking about? I presented the obvious fact that you can't level those kind of allegations against just one race, unless of course you are totally biased. History speaks for itself.

White history and British history are not one and the same especially considering that there's evidence to suggest that people of other ethnicities existed in the UK since Roman times. To suggest that White History is the same as British history is rather ignorant.

You brought race into it, you jumped straight to it in a discussion of british history and culture.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What British history do you think she is taking about then!

Well, obviously the empire. Surely that didn't need saying?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

nobody was talking about your irrational hatred of non-whites or this groups history. This jump you made is pretty worrying.

Perfect example or words in mouth and baiting, I need say no more.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Perfect example or words in mouth and baiting, I need say no more.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Isn't that just stating the bleeding obvious? To get some context examine what was said after that sentence also.

Everyone has already examined what was said after with great interest.
However the first sentence adds context to and sets the tone for the rest of the post.
Anyone can embolden a tiny part of somebody's post and take it out of context.Abit like when the media cuts snippets out of a politician or celebrities interview and makes it mean what they want it to.
One of the first things she said was 'EVERY RACE'

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Everyone has already examined what was said after with great interest.
However the first sentence adds context to and sets the tone for the rest of the post.
Anyone can embolden a tiny part of somebody's post and take it out of context.Abit like when the media cuts snippets out of a politician or celebrities interview and makes it mean what they want it to.
One of the first things she said was 'EVERY RACE'

Yes.... I see this, however this does not detract from the inference that Whites are no longer raping and murdering..... can you identify that from the context of the post?

Can you not see also why some see this as a proclamation of superiority?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes.... I see this, however this does not detract from the inference that Whites are no longer raping and murdering..... can you identify that from the context of the post?

Can you not see also why some see this as a proclamation of superiority?

She was using black and Asian countries as a comparison to Britain.
She didn't say that white people don't murder anyone.You only have to look at murder figures to show that what she stated is a fact.
African,Asian,Arab countries have much higher murder rates than Britain.I don't even need to google murder rates to know this is fact.
Even in the US 13% of the population are responsible for 52% of murders.You don't have to be racist or to be saying 'black people are savages' to recognise this.
Hiding from the truth to look 'progressive' is wait for it........


Political correctness

And it solves nothing.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes.... I see this, however this does not detract from the inference that Whites are no longer raping and murdering..... can you identify that from the context of the post?

Can you not see also why some see this as a proclamation of superiority?

Again you are presenting your interpretation of my words as fact. Your perception is not beyond critique. The point I was making is that you are always denegrating Britain and British culture, despite the fact is has taken in a lot of people from other cultures who have made it their home. It also gives a lot in foreign aid.

When you constantly make remarks about its history implying or conviently ignoring that other cultures/races don't have a similar history you can't complain when others challenge that perception - facts say differently.

There are still similar issues still going on in certain parts of the world today or are we not allowed to mention that. Fact is fact - you can't just ignore that or shut people down with shouts of racism. You then tried to compare the violence and lawlessness going on in such countries with life here when there is clearly no comparison. You then interpret that as racism and superiority when yet again that is your opinion not fact. You really will only see what you want to which is your right, but it is not your right to attempt to twist my words and shut me down with such infantile allegations.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

She was using black and Asian countries as a comparison to Britain.
She didn't say that white people don't murder anyone.You only have to look at murder figures to show that what she stated is a fact.
African,Asian,Arab countries have much higher murder rates than Britain.I don't even need to google murder rates to know this is fact.
Even in the US 13% of the population are responsible for 52% of murders.You don't have to be racist or to be saying 'black people are savages' to recognise this.
Hiding from the truth to look 'progressive' is wait for it........


Political correctness

And it solves nothing.

What does PC have to do with this?... Whether in relation to the UK or the wider world what is the point of the comparison?....

What if not to assert that Whites are in some way superior, otherwise why the comparisons, what other point is being proven here?... I am at a loss what is my addled PC brain not comprehending what is being conveyed?.... HELP ME!!!!!!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Again you are presenting your interpretation of my words as fact. Your perception is not beyond critique. The point I was making is that you are always denegrating Britain and British culture, despite the fact is has taken in a lot of people from other cultures who have made it their home. It also gives a lot in foreign aid.

When you constantly make remarks about its history implying or conviently ignoring that other cultures/races don't have a similar history you can't complain when others challenge that perception - facts say differently.

There are still similar issues still going on in certain parts of the world today or are we not allowed to mention that. Fact is fact - you can't just ignore that or shut people down with shouts of racism. You then tried to compare the violence and lawlessness going on in such countries with life here when there is clearly no comparison. You then interpret that as racism and superiority when yet again that is your opinion not fact. You really will only see what you want to which is your right, but it is not your right to attempt to twist my words and shut me down with such infantile allegations.

I have twisted nothing... You made a statement about murders and rapists past and present and their ethnicity. That's it...
I asked for clarification and nothing has been forthcoming, now it appears you are accusing me of being PC and infantile for daring to question your statement.

[Niamh.]

Deleted some posts in here, can you all either stay on topic or stop posting in here please. It's getting really nasty and personal

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Mocking? I asked, Withano and Dezzy also queried your wording in your post as it made distinct reference to ethnicity, the lines have been blurred as to whether your accusation was to those at home or abroad.

I will try one final time, are you in your post presuming you are focusing on the UK suggesting that White people in the present no longer rape or murder?

Frankly that is what I and seemingly others took from that statement, can you explain why I am wrong in thinking that is what you meant?

And others supported mine. So that comment proves what?

That second paragraph again isn't clear but I will repeat what I have already said that there are still issues of lawlessness (including rape and murder) in other parts of the world that can't be compared to the UK. Is that untrue? Of course people rape and murder in the UK, I never said differently, just not on the same scale, in part due to the consequences to them - fairer laws here protect against it, partly do to education and belief systems.

For instance a white man could rape a black woman and, if proven, would be convicted. There would be no discrimination. Rape of women isn't even recognised in certain parts of the world - there is no such protection. How can you possibly make any comparisons - it makes no sense, just as your one-sided criticism of Britain's 'violent' history makes no sense.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And others supported mine. So that comment proves what?

That second paragraph again isn't clear but I will repeat what I have already said that there are still issues of lawlessness (including rape and murder) in other parts of the world that can't be compared to the UK. Is that untrue? Of course people rape and murder in the UK, I never said differently, just not on the same scale, in part due to the consequences to them - fairer laws here protect against it, partly do to education and belief systems.

For instance a white man could rape a black woman and, if proven, would be convicted. There would be no discrimination. Rape of women isn't even recognised in certain parts of the world - there is no such protection. How can you possibly make any comparisons - it makes no sense, just as your one-sided criticism of Britain makes no sense.

Your disjointed post makes no sense, this explanation does nothing to address the issues raised by your initial comment.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Your disjointed post makes no sense, this explanation does nothing to address the issues raised by your initial comment.

I can't make it any clearer. Black and white people in Britain rape and murder, I never said any different, but in much lower numbers than in many other countries due to the knowledge they would likely be caught and spend a lot of time in jail. We have laws as deterrents.

There are other countries in the world where there are few, if any, deterrents, Men are generally free to rape women without consequence and murder too. Such crimes are common place in countries with violent lawless regimes such as Syria, and several African countries, hence the large number of refugees coming to the West.

If you don't understand that then it is clearly your comprehension skills that are the problem.

[arista]

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in France students have protested
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before Macron did.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I can't make it any clearer. Black and white people in Britain rape and murder, I never said any different, but in much lower numbers than in many other countries due to the knowledge they would likely be caught and spend a lot of time in jail. We have laws as deterrents.

There are other countries in the world where there are few, if any, deterrents, Men are generally free to rape women without consequence and murder too. Such crimes are common place in countries with violent lawless regimes such as Syria, and several African countries, hence the large number of refugees coming to the West.

If you don't understand that then it is clearly your comprehension skills that are the problem.

I asked, Withano and Dezzy also queried your wording in your post as it made distinct reference to ethnicity, the lines have been blurred as to whether your accusation was to those at home or abroad.

I will try one final time, are you in your post presuming you are focusing on the UK suggesting that White people in the present no longer rape or murder?

Frankly that is what I and seemingly others took from that statement, can you explain why I am wrong in thinking that is what you meant?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I asked, Withano and Dezzy also queried your wording in your post as it made distinct reference to ethnicity, the lines have been blurred as to whether your accusation was to those at home or abroad.

I will try one final time, are you in your post presuming you are focusing on the UK suggesting that White people in the present no longer rape or murder?

Frankly that is what I and seemingly others took from that statement, can you explain why I am wrong in thinking that is what you meant?

Are you kidding - how many times do I have to say it. You know exactly what point I was making. Twist away, others can read and use their own comprehension skills.

If it wasn't so tiresome it would actually be quite amusing that you actually think you are being clever.