[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

*was*

Of the G7 we are now bottom of the pile.

Unless you mean developing countries or 3rd world countries? We for now are marginally better, although this comparison to other countries in the world is pointless.

As I said you should travel more.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jaxie

As I said you should travel more.

We are the 5th richest country in the world,we have luxuries a plenty,food a plenty,clean water things other countries can only dream of and people still are not happy.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

*was*

Of the G7 we are now bottom of the pile.

Unless you mean developing countries or 3rd world countries? We for now are marginally better, although this comparison to other countries in the world is pointless.

How are we at the bottom? Canada has a worse economy than ours as does France and Italy. Saying we are "marginally" better than 3rd world countries which you do realise are countries within Africa and South America? I'm sorry but what you're saying is totally untrue you may hate our current government but making up lies to somehow imply that Corbyn would bring us up out of being "marginally" better than Africa is ridiculous.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

As I said you should travel more.

Why? How would that change my opinion on how my country is governed? Oh, so and so country is really corrupt, mine os nowhere near as corrupt as this ... my corrupt country is ace!

Sorry it doesm't work like that.

I suggest you read more, maybe brush up on your macroeconomics?

In terms of growth we are bottom, so in 7yrs we have doubled our national debt and are currently stagnating.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...takes-the-lead

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We are the 5th richest country in the world,we have luxuries a plenty,food a plenty,clean water things other countries can only dream of and people still are not happy.

My son has been round the world twice in the last couple of years and he said it really opens your eyes to how differently many other people live and what real poverty is like. It makes you realise how lucky we are.

[joeysteele]

We're the 5th richest Nation in the world and we have a govt that is ripping the heart out of care and public services and presides over extreme austerity,for another 5 years,at least,to come yet.

Either we are not the 5th richest Nation and therefore need some austerity.
Or we are the 5th richest Nation,which all surveys say is the case,in which case the failed austerity is this Conservative choice for only vindictive and shameful reasons.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why? How would that change my opinion on how my country is governed? Oh, so and so country is really corrupt, mine os nowhere near as corrupt as this ... my corrupt country is ace!

Sorry it doesm't work like that.

I suggest you read more, maybe brush up on your macroeconomics?

In terms of growth we are bottom, so in 7yrs we have doubled our national debt and are currently stagnating.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...takes-the-lead

If you travelled more you'd know why.

[DemolitionRed]

I've done a lot of travelling. I lived in France and Iran. Travelled some of the African continent and just about all of Europe. I've worked in France, Italy, Germany, Egypt and Romania, but here I am voting for the Labour party.

[Withano]

Guys we're not in a poverty stricken war zone, so lets not try and ask for a better government?

[DemolitionRed]

In fact, spending time in Romania was a real eye opener. Extreme wealth versus poverty is right in your face. They are just more open about government corruption than we are, especially when it comes to taxation. The similarities of the way they are govern and the way we are presently governed is alarmingly similar. The Tories are just better at covering their corruption with a velvet cloak.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I've done a lot of travelling. I lived in France and Iran. Travelled some of the African continent and just about all of Europe. I've worked in France, Italy, Germany, Egypt and Romania, but here I am voting for the Labour party.

Same (different countries obviously!). I don't understand the logic at all. I think its that there are worse countries than the UK, so we dont need to better the UK? But thats ridiculous so I'm not sure

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If you travelled more you'd know why.

Because poverty exists in other countries we should be more tolerant of it here?

Sorry that is nonsensical at best.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

In fact, spending time in Romania was a real eye opener. Extreme wealth versus poverty is right in your face. They are just more open about government corruption than we are, especially when it comes to taxation. The similarities of the way they are govern and the way we are presently governed is alarmingly similar. The Tories are just better at covering their corruption with a velvet cloak.

I agree, as we in this country couldn't handle actually knowing the establishment were actively and openly working against us, one redeeming feature of Brits is our sense of fair play... if that goes... the establishment will fall, which is why they maintain the charade.

Spoiler:

A who’s who of dodgy donors

The Tories’ donors included:

Sir Henry and Lady Keswick – Ł150,000 [pdf]. Keswick’s company Jardine Matheson was linked to tax avoidance via Luxembourg and has numerous subsidiaries in tax haven Bermuda.
Charles ‘Julian’ Cazalet – Ł10,000 [pdf]. Cazalet is a non-executive director of NHS private provider Deltex Medical Group.
John Griffin – Ł900,000 [pdf]. Griffin and his private hire firm Addison Lee were caught up in a lobbying and tax avoidance scandal in 2012.
David J Rowland – Ł200,000 [pdf]. The Canary conducted a major investigation into Rowland in 2016, and described his offshore tax affairs as “mind blowing”.
Andrew E Law – Ł250,000 [pdf]. Law is a hedge fund owner whose firm Caxton Associates is registered in the US tax avoidance state of Delaware.
Malcolm Healey – Ł100,000 [pdf]. Healey was fined by HMRC in 2015 for making Ł8.6m [pdf] by using a tax avoidance scheme.
Bruce Hardy McLain – Ł100,000 [pdf]. McLain’s private investment firm CVC Capital Partners is currently embroiled in a Ł5m bribery and tax avoidance scandal involving Formula One.
Ayman and Sawsan Asfari – Ł100,000 [pdf]. Ayman is currently under investigation by the Serious Fraud Office. He also runs oil company Petrofac, which avoids tax via Jersey.
Rainy City Investments – Ł100,000 [pdf]. Owned by Peter and Fred Done, who were fined Ł800,000 by the Serious Fraud Office over money laundering allegations.
Investors in Private Capital Ltd – Ł150,000 [pdf]. Owned by James ‘Jamie’ Reuben, family friend of George Osborne, it paid no UK corporation tax in 2014 [pdf p13], despite a turnover [pdf p17] of Ł35m.
John C Armitage – Ł1m [pdf p4 and pdf p4]. Armitage is the founder of Egerton Capital, a hedge fund that enables tax avoidance for investors.
JCB Service – Ł500,000 [pdf]. It’s owned by Anthony Bamford, who was not only named in the Panama Papers, but who operates JCB out of tax haven Bermuda.

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/01/...wont-want-see/

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I've done a lot of travelling. I lived in France and Iran. Travelled some of the African continent and just about all of Europe. I've worked in France, Italy, Germany, Egypt and Romania, but here I am voting for the Labour party.

Good for you. Except this is completely out of context with my response to Kizzy.

She was complaining about her country, nothing to do with the Labour party.

You are living in the UK so I take it you realise this is by far the best place to live and bring up your children.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Because poverty exists in other countries we should be more tolerant of it here?

Sorry that is nonsensical at best.

Is assuming you know. And trying to rearrange what I said to meet your own ends.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Same (different countries obviously!). I don't understand the logic at all. I think its that there are worse countries than the UK, so we dont need to better the UK? But thats ridiculous so I'm not sure

Again you didn't read what was said. You are just making up what you presume to be ridiculous.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Is assuming you know. And trying to rearrange what I said to meet your own ends.

Nope you suggested I couldn't criticise the current govt due to the fact I wan't traveled enough and then DR because she was traveled...

How have I twisted what you have said?

I don't care about other countries and their governments, many are in no way shape or form comparable to our democracy... I care about here, and ours.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[joeysteele]

I can't see what travelling is going to do to change the injustices and wrongs done by voters electing poor to bad govts.
If looked for, injustices are there for all to come across as I found out myself.

What our govts do is what matters,no amount of travelling will make our govts act as they should.

Our Politicians travel the World yet inflict many ridiculous policies on the UK.

The only way to change injustice and downright wrong being done to UK groupings such as the weakest, sick and disabled,and the only way to change people with incurable cancer having to be wheeled into courts forced to appeal there due to any govts.policy making,is to change that govt.
If ever a govt. warranted being well and truly thrown out of power,then that is for sure this abomination of a govt.
Totally devoid of a shred of decency or any truth as to it.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope you suggested I couldn't criticise the current govt due to the fact I wan't traveled enough and then DR because she was traveled...

How have I twisted what you have said?

I don't care about other countries and their governments, many are in no way shape or form comparable to our democracy... I care about here, and ours.

Why is that so hard to understand?

You said:

Newsflash.... It's ruined the national debt has doubled since the global financial crash, the NHS is on it's arse, schools are begging for funds and the prison system is on the brink of collapse. If the tories get back in this country is FINISHED.

I said you should travel more and you'd realise you live in a great country. Where in suggesting travelling would enlighten your feelings about your country, did I say you couldn't criticise the current government?

You said:

Because poverty exists in other countries we should be more tolerant of it here?

You said:

Nope you suggested I couldn't criticise the current govt due to the fact I wan't traveled enough and then DR because she was traveled...

Except that wasn't what I said at all is it? You just made it up completely twisting what I said. I never said anything like that. I said you should travel more.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can't see what travelling is going to do to change the injustices and wrongs done by voters electing poor to bad govts.
If looked for, injustices are there for all to come across as I found out myself.

What our govts do is what matters,no amount of travelling will make our govts act as they should.

Our Politicians travel the World yet inflict many ridiculous policies on the UK.

The only way to change injustice and downright wrong being done to UK groupings such as the weakest, sick and disabled,and the only way to change people with incurable cancer having to be wheeled into courts forced to appeal there due to any govts.policy making,is to change that govt.
If ever a govt. warranted being well and truly thrown out of power,then that is for sure this abomination of a govt.
Totally devoid of a shred of decency or any truth as to it.

Again that isn't what I said. I didn't say anything about the government, a government, a potential government. You are just making it up for your own political agenda.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Again you didn't read what was said. You are just making up what you presume to be ridiculous.

To be fair, nobody has read that post the way you intended it so maybe you should reiterate

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

To be fair, nobody has read that post the way you intended it so maybe you should reiterate

Why should I if none of you can be bothered to read what I said and just assume what I'm saying? Read up to all the things Kizzy assumed I said by saying she should travel more. It's bizarre.

[Withano]

So the uk is good, comparatively speaking, but you'd only know if you travel. Also this has nothing to do with labour and the economy despite that being the thread topic?

Am I getting warmer? I love cryptic puzzles.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

So the uk is good, comparatively speaking, but you'd only know if you travel. Also this has nothing to do with labour and the economy despite that being the thread topic?

Am I getting warmer? I love cryptic puzzles.

Don't be silly. I was going to spell it out but actually I shouldn't have to.

[Withano]

Noo don't spell it out. Ruins the fun of cryptic puzzles. I'll have a think