[arista]

[arista]

[James]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The problem then is witch hunts and innocent people being mistakenly harrassed.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Harassed? I think they would probably be lynched.

Originally Posted by Cherie

Wouldn't that turn people into vigilantes, and what if they were being watched but were innocent

increase the number of police, not cut

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This is also why language used should be sensitively applied to avoid vigilante like action.
Which in the end could increase tensions and have things far worse even.

Totally agree,really invest in security and get the numbers of Police back up again.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think you're right.They'd have to leave the country which wouldn't be so bad if they were guilty.However if it's just Doreen accross the road who saw them praying in the front window while she was curtain twitching and thought it looked dodgy then innocent people could end up in danger.

Just wondering though... do you think it's just a bad idea that the authorities name the watch-list suspects, or should individuals who have concerns about certain people keep those concerns secret to the general public, and not go on social media etc. about it.

Cause people get suspected of other crimes, and as far as I know, it doesn't cause harrasement... or maybe it does, I don't know.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by arista

Only showing the dead three Terrorists
that were just on TV news worldwide

Is that normal though? Like thats not how I remember newspapers. I'm not against it, I'm just wondering

[longstar]

back in 2011, the police tried to cover up a big,big problem in a area in London called Tower Hamlets, why because they feared being called racists and Islamophobic, and Muslims there are trying to turn that place into a Islamic enclave, and many stories came out that school teachers where being threatened, and a gay bar was attacked near there, and also the big scandal in voter fraud, and there are other area's of London where this problem is getting bigger by the day, and radicalization is so rife in those places, that there is not a chance in hell, that the government would crack down on it, because they don't want to upset these communities, and after the 7/7 bombings, the government did nothing because of this reason, and it will be the same old thing again, being spineless, and its the same communities that protect these guys who did what they did in London and Manchester, and Muslims who do report it, there life is in big danger, in the face of these things, those communities think that they should have there own rules and laws, that's where the other big problems are starting to unfold.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vixenk99

I'm not really sure. It could be that we're very open to immigration in the way of taking in the Syrian refugees (most noted in the news) and refugees from anywhere, even crossing the US border, it could be that we're typically known as peace keepers rather than (I'm sorry for the phrase) war mongers. I truly don't know, but I am thankful that thus far, we've been left alone.

You have a point I think, the UK has never really welcomed Muslims and are trying to get their voices heard to the Government that there's a problem.

And yeah I hope that Canada can still keep the peace as it might be something that all of us could use as a baseline to learn.

[Ninastar]

It's crazy to me that merely a few months ago, there were quite a few forum members who were laughing at the fact that we were so worried about something happening here. I remember a few people making jokes about how OTT people were about the fact that something may happen here, and they were pretty condescending about it.

It's sad to see that all the worry over the attacks hitting home has become so true and has happened 3 times in the last month or so. I mean, I was sure something was going to happen, but 3 times in a few weeks?? It's insane, it really is.

And trying to figure something out that everyone will agree on is pretty much impossible. Although I suppose most people won't disagree on the fact that the people known to the police and who are on the watch list should be deported. But then I guess that opens a can of worms if they have young children etc...

It's all so complicated and heart breaking.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

It's crazy to me that merely a few months ago, there were quite a few forum members who were laughing at the fact that we were so worried about something happening here. I remember a few people making jokes about how OTT people were about the fact that something may happen here, and they were pretty condescending about it.

It's sad to see that all the worry over the attacks hitting home has become so true and has happened 3 times in the last month or so. I mean, I was sure something was going to happen, but 3 times in a few weeks?? It's insane, it really is.

And trying to figure something out that everyone will agree on is pretty much impossible. Although I suppose most people won't disagree on the fact that the people known to the police and who are on the watch list should be deported. But then I guess that opens a can of worms if they have young children etc...

It's all so complicated and heart breaking.

I don't recall anyone suggesting nothing was going to happen here. I do remember people voicing against the fear hysteria. I was one of those voices and I still am.

I live smack bang in the heart of London. I live a mere 15 minute walk from London bridge. I cross London bridge on foot at least half a dozen times a week and I travel extensively throughout London every week and will continue to do so without fear. I will never withdraw. If someone is going to commit an atrocity I have no way of knowing and so I shall carry on exactly as though nothing has happened.

It saddens me that every time there is a terrorist alert we are told that certain things “must be given up”, we must lose a bit more of our freedom. Well I refuse to give up my freedom becaus the bottom line is, even where I live and where I travel, I have more chance of being killed by a household appliance than by a terrorist act.

[user104658]

I agree DR, as horrific and unimaginable as these attacks are, it's important to put the actual level of risk people are living with into perspective. Not least because the goal of terrorism is just that - to have people changing their daily lives, to have us living in fear, to make sure that we have to give up our freedoms.

More than 60 people are killed or seriously injured in road traffic accidents in the UK, every single day - 23,000 per year. We don't live in fear of using our cars, we don't even think about it. And as you say, an accident in the home during the most mundane of tasks is one of the biggest causes of premature death. The idea of being hurt or killed in a terrorist attack seems scarier because it's more vivid, more visceral, less abstract... Someone is doing it with intent, and that IS hard to process... And yet, the likelihood of being killed by a terrorist is still tiny. It's important to keep that perspective.

I feel that this is probably what you are remembering people saying, Ninastar, and it is still true. Not that anyone was saying nothing would ever happen in the UK... And I certainly very much doubt that anyone was laughing about it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

It's crazy to me that merely a few months ago, there were quite a few forum members who were laughing at the fact that we were so worried about something happening here. I remember a few people making jokes about how OTT people were about the fact that something may happen here, and they were pretty condescending about it.

It's sad to see that all the worry over the attacks hitting home has become so true and has happened 3 times in the last month or so. I mean, I was sure something was going to happen, but 3 times in a few weeks?? It's insane, it really is.

And trying to figure something out that everyone will agree on is pretty much impossible. Although I suppose most people won't disagree on the fact that the people known to the police and who are on the watch list should be deported. But then I guess that opens a can of worms if they have young children etc...

It's all so complicated and heart breaking.

As I remember it the feeling was that this whipping up into a frenzy was to facilitate further bombing campaigns, but ask yourself would you rather be calm and well resourced or terrified and underfunded?

That was the choice, it still is.

[Northern Monkey]

One attacker Pakistani and one Moroccan and an Irish ID found.According to the DP

[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

One attacker Pakistani and one Moroccan and an Irish ID found.According to the DP

Yes a stolen Irish ID
http://news.sky.com/story/london-ter...o-far-10904706

[Brillopad]

Seven of the arrested suspects were women. Picture of one hiding behind her veil. We can undoubtedly expect a lot more of this. They must think we are all stupid allowing this. Makes me sick to the stomach.

[Niamh.]

Allowing it?

[Cherie]

I don't see how anyone can compare deaths from accidents with terrorist incidents, an accident is just that, someone going out to specifically kill you is completely different, and no matter how few and far between they are it's quite disrepectful to the people involved to even compare them, I think Nina is right there was that tone on here a few months back, I don't see anyone changing their habits 60,000 at a concert last night was evidence of that, and the tubes will have been packed today with people going about their business

One thing that did dismay me though I went into work today and a close Asian friend showed me a video she had been sent purporting that what happened was a false flag and the police were involved if this is what is circulating around the Muslim community it is pretty worrying

[arista]

Waterloo, Lambeth and Westminster bridges,
now all have Large concrete barriers



making it safer

http://news.sky.com/story/anti-terro...idges-10904977

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't see how anyone can compare deaths from accidents with terrorist incidents, an accident is just that, someone going out to specifically kill you is completely different, and no matter how few and far between they are it's quite disrepectful to the people involved to even compare them, I think Nina is right there was that tone on here a few months back, I don't see anyone changing their habits 60,000 at a concert last night was evidence of that, and the tubes will have been packed today with people going about their business

One thing that did dismay me though I went into work today and a close Asian friend showed me a video she had been sent purporting that what happened was a false flag and the police were involved if this is what is circulating around the Muslim community it is pretty worrying

I've seen the video too and although I wouldn't put anything past our corrupt, criminal government, its absolute nonsense!
It's being shared widely in FB, not just amongst our Muslim communities.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I've seen the video too and although I wouldn't put anything past our corrupt, criminal government, its absolute nonsense!
It's being shared widely in FB, not just amongst our Muslim communities.

There are always going to be conspiracy theories out there

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't see how anyone can compare deaths from accidents with terrorist incidents, an accident is just that, someone going out to specifically kill you is completely different, and no matter how few and far between they are it's quite disrepectful to the people involved to even compare them, I think Nina is right there was that tone on here a few months back, I don't see anyone changing their habits 60,000 at a concert last night was evidence of that, and the tubes will have been packed today with people going about their business

One thing that did dismay me though I went into work today and a close Asian friend showed me a video she had been sent purporting that what happened was a false flag and the police were involved if this is what is circulating around the Muslim community it is pretty worrying

It's been hinted on this forum too, that the government are to blame. And before the party political screeching begins, I would say the same thing whoever was in number ten. I find those views pretty offensive personally and anyone promoting them needs a long hard look at themselves and their grasp on reality. I think the police officer who went in to stop three knife wielding men with just a baton is an absolute hero. How dare anyone suggest our police would be involved. Eight minutes and it was over, in a country where the police do not carry guns as the norm, we should be incredibly proud of them.

If the video is going round the Muslim community specifically that would be a serious case of denial. We have to stop appeasing anything religion and look at the elephant in the room. There is a problem, a murderous ideology is being taught by some, whether it be in the home, the school, the mosque, someone is nurturing this and it must be addressed. We can't keep sweeping it under the carpet and saying it's not all Muslims. It's coming from somewhere and it is being taught to young British Muslims. It's too easy just to blame the internet. There is a lot more to this than just the internet. Don't mistake me I am not claiming there aren't many peaceful Muslims but that isn't an excuse to stop us looking at what is happening. And if anyone thinks this is hate speech. No, go away.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Seven of the arrested suspects were women. Picture of one hiding behind her veil. We can undoubtedly expect a lot more of this. They must think we are all stupid allowing this. Makes me sick to the stomach.

If we are going to speak up for the oppression of women raised to hide themselves because men think their face and hair is immodest, we can't then turn around and accuse them of hiding behind it. I don't agree with the tone of what you're saying here Brillo.

[arista]

Two London Bridge Evil terrorist
attackers named as
Khuram Butt and Rachid Redouane
http://news.sky.com/story/two-london...ouane-10905434

[Beso]

Originally Posted by arista

Two London Bridge Evil terrorist
attackers named as
Khuram Butt and Rachid Redouane
http://news.sky.com/story/two-london...ouane-10905434

Britain first have been reporting them for years.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Two London Bridge Evil terrorist
attackers named as
Khuram Butt and Rachid Redouane
http://news.sky.com/story/two-london...ouane-10905434

Rachis Redoune lived in Ireland for a time and was married to a Scottish woman

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by arista

Two London Bridge Evil terrorist
attackers named as
Khuram Butt and Rachid Redouane
http://news.sky.com/story/two-london...ouane-10905434

I really wish they wouldn't even bother releasing these monster's names.. concentrate on the victims, their families and the heroes, and deny the terrorists the glory they want.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I really wish they wouldn't even bother releasing these monster's names.. concentrate on the victims, their families and the heroes, and deny the terrorists the glory they want.

I would agree ordinarily but given the conspiracy theories flying around its probably necessary now, incredible that he appeared on a C4 programme called the Jihadi next door