[Brillopad]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/825...y-leave-remain

I think this makes it clear to those who will keep trying to muddy the waters!!

[JTM45]

Did you mean 'nonsense' ?

And coming from the Express then it clearly is.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Did you mean 'nonsense' ?

And coming from the Express then it clearly is.

Fail - the Express are noted for mainly accurate reporting. How much paper they use to make their newspapers is neither here nor there, unlike you buying into such elitist snobbery.

[JTM45]

Who mentioned size or volume ?
You know they say that's not important, unlike the ability to spell, right ?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Who mentioned size or volume ?
You know they say that's not important, unlike the ability to spell, right ?

You didn't need to!

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You didn't need to!

It's just my generous nature.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

It's just my generous nature.

Have you anything to back up your implications that the Express is not a reliable source other than perhaps listening to those on here who like to tell us what are and what are not reliable sources.

Those, for instance, who try to get one paper banned on here whilst regularly posting from sources known for fake news.

That is nonsence too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Have you anything to back up your implications that the Express is not a reliable source other than perhaps listening to those on here who like to tell us what are and what are not reliable sources.

Those, for instance, who try to get one paper banned on here whilst regularly posting from sources known for fake news.

That is nonsence too.

Wot...Who is this then?

The express along with other tabloids are specifically right leaning. That aside how can a newspaper make clear what the PM can't? :/

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Wot...Who is this then?

The express along with other tabloids are specifically right leaning. That aside how can a newspaper make clear what the PM can't? :/

Yes it is right leaning - but it presents the facts. It doesn't make them up.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That aside how can a newspaper make clear what the PM can't? :/

Lol! What an excellent point.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Yes it is right leaning - but it presents the facts. It doesn't make them up.

And who does? You do know nobody is aware of the ramifications of brexit yet don't you?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And who does? You do know nobody is aware of the ramifications of brexit yet don't you?

I do. But there was a referendum and, just like an election, the majority vote won - and that was for Brexit. Since then so many remainders have attempted to interfere with that vote and shout about a second referendum. So if we did and it went the remainers' way and the leavers then cried and whined and demanded a third referendum where would we be. How many would we need to satisfy everyone - we never would - and that is why the first vote has to be the one that counts. Anything else is just a joke.

Some believe in the positives that can be had from Brexit if we are all behind it whilst others insist on believing in all the doom and gloom suggested by some.

As was said by someone more informed than most, Jacob Rees-Mogg, in a previous thread I made today, "there is no hard or soft Brexit , we are leaving the EU", all this hard/soft nonsence has only ever been the remainers' attempts at down-grading Brexit to suit their own agendas. We are leaving the EU and we all have to try and get the best deal for Britain. That is it really.

[JTM45]

The Brexit 'referendum' was one of the worst undertakings of any political party in the history of our country.
Something that will have such massive impact on the country should have at least 2 seperate national votes at least 6 months (preferably a year) apart.
There was so much mis-information spread by people with major agendas such as UKIP which they had to own up to days after the vote. Those lies alone would have been enough to give us the result we ended up with. Many, many normal, average British Citizens who voted 'leave' have , since clearer and more honest information has become available, have said that they are terrified of the impact that Brexit will have upon their lives and/or business in the UK and have also said that they would have never voted to leave had the full rammifications been made clear in advance of the vote.
This isn't (or at least shouldn't have been) about winning or losing or beating someone of the opposite opinion, it should have been about what is best for the country and those who live in it. If people are honestly supporters of true democracy then they should have nothing to fear from a second referendum now that people have had time to become better informed on the pros and cons. How can anyone not see that ?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I do. But there was a referendum and, just like an election, the majority vote won - and that was for Brexit. Since then so many remainders have attempted to interfere with that vote and shout about a second referendum. So if we did and it went the remainers' way and the leavers then cried and whined and demanded a third referendum where would we be. How many would we need to satisfy everyone - we never would - and that is why the first vote has to be the one that counts. Anything else is just a joke.

Some believe in the positives that can be had from Brexit if we are all behind it whilst others insist on believing in all the doom and gloom suggested by some.

As was said by someone more informed than most, Jacob Rees-Mogg, in a previous thread I made today, "there is no hard or soft Brexit , we are leaving the EU", all this hard/soft nonsence has only ever been the remainers' attempts at down-grading Brexit to suit their own agendas. We are leaving the EU and we all have to try and get the best deal for Britain. That is it really.

Why are you saying this to me? I have never suggested there should be another referendum :/

So basically in his say 500 words when 3 will do way he said 'brexit means brexit' gee, thanks for that ghoul mogg!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by JTM45

The Brexit 'referendum' was one of the worst undertakings of any political party in the history of our country.
Something that will have such massive impact on the country should have at least 2 seperate national votes at least 6 months (preferably a year) apart.
There was so much mis-information spread by people with major agendas such as UKIP which they had to own up to days after the vote. Those lies alone would have been enough to give us the result we ended up with. Many, many normal, average British Citizens who voted 'leave' have , since clearer and more honest information has become available, have said that they are terrified of the impact that Brexit will have upon their lives and/or business in the UK and have also said that they would have never voted to leave had the full rammifications been made clear in advance of the vote.
This isn't (or at least shouldn't have been) about winning or losing or beating someone of the opposite opinion, it should have been about what is best for the country and those who live in it. If people are honestly supporters of true democracy then they should have nothing to fear from a second referendum now that people have had time to become better informed on the pros and cons. How can anyone not see that ?

Yep where are those brexit champions now?... wasn't farage in the queue for his Irish passport the morning after?...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

The Brexit 'referendum' was one of the worst undertakings of any political party in the history of our country.
Something that will have such massive impact on the country should have at least 2 seperate national votes at least 6 months (preferably a year) apart.
There was so much mis-information spread by people with major agendas such as UKIP which they had to own up to days after the vote. Those lies alone would have been enough to give us the result we ended up with. Many, many normal, average British Citizens who voted 'leave' have , since clearer and more honest information has become available, have said that they are terrified of the impact that Brexit will have upon their lives and/or business in the UK and have also said that they would have never voted to leave had the full rammifications been made clear in advance of the vote.
This isn't (or at least shouldn't have been) about winning or losing or beating someone of the opposite opinion, it should have been about what is best for the country and those who live in it. If people are honestly supporters of true democracy then they should have nothing to fear from a second referendum now that people have had time to become better informed on the pros and cons. How can anyone not see that ?

How convenient you wanting another vote, it won't happen. If people voted without knowing what they were voting for that is their stupidity. There was quite a lot of information sent out to everyone, which I guess many didn't bother to read. More fool them.

I notice when you talk of agendas you target UKIP alone when there was misinformation all-round. That is an agenda in itself.

As for the number of leavers changing their minds - where is the evidence. A small number may have just as some remainers would now vote leave. There is no evidence of significant numbers changing their minds. Just agenda-driven speculation and semantics with some wishful thinking sprinkled on top.

True supporters of democracy support a public vote - they do not try to interfere with the outcome because they didn't like it and because they didn't take it seriously enough to bother voting, read up about it or assumed they already knew the outcome. A painful lesson learned by some.

[Tom4784]

With this weak government in place we'll be getting a soft brexit and I will live for the tears of brexiters who voted for Tories thinking they would get the hard brexit that May promised. She u-turned on everything she's ever said since being in office AND she's guilty of things that her party have accused Corbyn of by getting into bed with the DUP.

We'll fold to the EU's demands and get the soft brexit we deserve for allowing a weak party to remain in control despite all the evidence that it isn't a good idea for the Tories to be in charge.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

How convenient you wanting another vote, it won't happen. If people voted without knowing what they were voting for that is their stupidity. There was quite a lot of information sent out to everyone, which I guess many didn't bother to read. More fool them.

I notice when you talk of agendas you target UKIP alone when there was misinformation all-round. That is an agenda in itself.

As for the number of leavers changing their minds - where is the evidence. A small number may have just as some remainers would now vote leave. There is no evidence of significant numbers changing their minds. Just agenda-driven speculation and semantics with some wishful thinking sprinkled on top.

True supporters of democracy support a public vote - they do not try to interfere with the outcome because they didn't like it and because they didn't take it seriously enough to bother voting, read up about it or assumed they already knew the outcome. A painful lesson learned by some.

I agree that there shouldn't be a second vote, people have made their mistakes and now they've got to live with it. They shouldn't get a get out of jail free card because they regret voting Leave.