[JayGreen]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Hope she does

She's an absolutely amazing candidate for winner

I love her so me too! I love her!!

[y.winter]

I was thinking about this thread when she came in. She stands a good chance of winning it if she holds up to her reputation and doesn't flop. What an amazing reception

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Not everyone is treated equally in this country though and there's a group called the EDL

But on RTV there's been no equality whatsoever. If they was we would have had a black female winner by now, Saara Aalto would have won x factor (they are comments about she shouldn't be on a british show because she's not british..equality that is not) they are loads of examples

I don't think this is fair, its not often the best singer actually wins the x factor, lets be honest The show is notorious for having crappy winners compared to the actual entrants to the show.

As for the argument about having a black female winner by now, not necessarily. 10% of the British population is black, and thats being generous too, I suspect the actual figures will be lower. So this means, averagely, every 10 series...we should have a black winner. And this is completely ignoring everything else, like personalities and such and going solely on colour of housemates. So if we stick rigidly to the stats, we have another 2 years before even the averages don't equal out properly

Now, it is quite clear that black women do sometimes get a bit of a raw deal on BB. I do not feel it has happened this year though...or for a few years actually, which is hopeful that this will continue. I don't think it helps that the black female housemates do tend to be a lot more argumentative, and dare I say, aggressive than others. However...BB seems to stick to stereotypes a LOT, especially these days. For example, females in general on BB seem to be a lot more argumentative and bitchy than males. Usually meaning that the female cast is by far better than the male one. And in turn meaning that females are voted out quicker (when vote to evict is used obviously)

I genuinely do think Deborah would have won if not for 2 things. If Lotan had not snapped with Isabelle (if it had been Deborah who had been his undoing, even better for Debs) and if Hannah not gone in, or had left earlier on...even just at the 'fake eviction'. I think that would have made a lot of difference. Hannah did drag Deborah down, when Hannah was 'gone' Deborah had so much more fun and was much more relaxed.

I don't think it helps anyone to keep up these cries of racism as often as has happened this year.

Yes, a few BB viewers are undeniably racist. Just like some of the population are undeniably racist. Enough to actually affect the voting results? I doubt it, even with the ridiculously low viewing figures.

[DouglasS]

Were'nt the first two female winners of the XF either mixed race or black, and that has far more viewing figures and a greater percentage of the public watching, and was over 10 years ago, being less PC.

I don't think skin colour has anything to do with it - Gina was going to win BB14 before she ruined her final 2 weeks.

I agree with Vicky, Hannah ruined Deborah's chances, had she gone a bit earlier she'd have won I reckon. People either blindly defended Hannah because they liked her Deborah, which annoyed people, or the other way round, blindly disliked Deborah beccause of her sisters actions or Deborah getting involved in her sisters drama. It was very rare for Deborah to actually cause any drama/problem, whereas Hannah was lifes victim

[bbfanzo]

the whole topic of this thread is offensive and mongering

grow up people

[Pete.]

Let's go Sandi

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't think this is fair, its not often the best singer actually wins the x factor, lets be honest The show is notorious for having crappy winners compared to the actual entrants to the show.

As for the argument about having a black female winner by now, not necessarily. 10% of the British population is black, and thats being generous too, I suspect the actual figures will be lower. So this means, averagely, every 10 series...we should have a black winner. And this is completely ignoring everything else, like personalities and such and going solely on colour of housemates. So if we stick rigidly to the stats, we have another 2 years before even the averages don't equal out properly

Now, it is quite clear that black women do sometimes get a bit of a raw deal on BB. I do not feel it has happened this year though...or for a few years actually, which is hopeful that this will continue. I don't think it helps that the black female housemates do tend to be a lot more argumentative, and dare I say, aggressive than others. However...BB seems to stick to stereotypes a LOT, especially these days. For example, females in general on BB seem to be a lot more argumentative and bitchy than males. Usually meaning that the female cast is by far better than the male one. And in turn meaning that females are voted out quicker (when vote to evict is used obviously)

I genuinely do think Deborah would have won if not for 2 things. If Lotan had not snapped with Isabelle (if it had been Deborah who had been his undoing, even better for Debs) and if Hannah not gone in, or had left earlier on...even just at the 'fake eviction'. I think that would have made a lot of difference. Hannah did drag Deborah down, when Hannah was 'gone' Deborah had so much more fun and was much more relaxed.

I don't think it helps anyone to keep up these cries of racism as often as has happened this year.

Yes, a few BB viewers are undeniably racist. Just like some of the population are undeniably racist. Enough to actually affect the voting results? I doubt it, even with the ridiculously low viewing figures.

Yeah the best singer doesn't always win but when watching the finale they were soooo many comments on social media saying matt to win because he's british, saara shouldn't even be allowed on x factor because she isn't british and then Nicole said "get behind your own" which annoyed a few people and more comments about how she shouldn't win because she isn't british. So it just makes you think

Bbuk hasnt had a black winner for 10 years now and there hasn't been anymore but black females can never get past third. But i do have hope... sandi can win cbb because she is popular like Scarlett and is a favourite already.

Deborah had a great edit near the end which actually did make me think she could win. The final week editing is important look at Helen Wood vile for the rest of her stay but she had some sympathy edit the final week and won. I don't think past actions matters anymore.


I still think Raph would have won if it wasnt for the lotan thing etc he had it in the bag for weeks but isabelle took it.

I wonder if Raph spoke about this to people in the house because he has these type of convos a lot and its really interesting. Deborah and hannah talked about beating the statistics what raph told them.

[Dominic]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Were'nt the first two female winners of the XF either mixed race or black, and that has far more viewing figures and a greater percentage of the public watching, and was over 10 years ago, being less PC.

I don't think skin colour has anything to do with it - Gina was going to win BB14 before she ruined her final 2 weeks.

I agree with Vicky, Hannah ruined Deborah's chances, had she gone a bit earlier she'd have won I reckon. People either blindly defended Hannah because they liked her Deborah, which annoyed people, or the other way round, blindly disliked Deborah beccause of her sisters actions or Deborah getting involved in her sisters drama. It was very rare for Deborah to actually cause any drama/problem, whereas Hannah was lifes victim

This is true.

[bbfanzo]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Let's go Sandi

because shes black?

imagine supporting someone just because they are white

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by bbfanzo

because shes black?

imagine supporting someone just because they are white

There are wars going on

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Sandi is coming for that win

Originally Posted by Underscore

Sandiiiii is our saviourrrrr for our causeeeeee

Originally Posted by JayGreen

She can win!!

Originally Posted by y.winter

I was thinking about this thread when she came in. She stands a good chance of winning it if she holds up to her reputation and doesn't flop. What an amazing reception

Originally Posted by Pete.

Let's go Sandi

[lewis111]

Sandi was not worthy at all of the title

[Shaun]

Azealia Banks is coming for CBB21!

[Samm]

when charley uchea wins UBB2 next year

[Dominic]

how dare the racists evicct sandi!!!!!!!!

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Dominic

how dare the racists evicct sandi!!!!!!!!

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Pete.

There are wars going on

But Leona Lewis!! Brian Belo!! Alexandra Burke!!!

[Denver]

I hope all black women refuse future offers CBB dont deserve Queens

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I hope all black women refuse future offers CBB dont deserve Queens

Oh so you're automatically a queen if you're of black ethnicity + female then, i get it

[Tom4784]

Probably not, there's a sentiment in a lot of films and media which is basically that black people have to do twice as much to get half the recognition that white people do and in BB that's very true when it comes to black women.

You could have the perfect winner material housemate that just so happens to be a black woman and they'd still likely lose to a bland male that was either voted to win because they were inoffensive or you'd get a Helen/Bear situation.

[Daniel.]

Sandi didn't deserve it

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Probably not, there's a sentiment in a lot of films and media which is basically that black people have to do twice as much to get half the recognition that white people do and in BB that's very true when it comes to black women.

You could have the perfect winner material housemate that just so happens to be a black woman and they'd still likely lose to a bland male that was either voted to win because they were inoffensive or you'd get a Helen/Bear situation.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't think this is fair, its not often the best singer actually wins the x factor, lets be honest The show is notorious for having crappy winners compared to the actual entrants to the show.

As for the argument about having a black female winner by now, not necessarily. 10% of the British population is black, and thats being generous too, I suspect the actual figures will be lower. So this means, averagely, every 10 series...we should have a black winner. And this is completely ignoring everything else, like personalities and such and going solely on colour of housemates. So if we stick rigidly to the stats, we have another 2 years before even the averages don't equal out properly

Now, it is quite clear that black women do sometimes get a bit of a raw deal on BB. I do not feel it has happened this year though...or for a few years actually, which is hopeful that this will continue. I don't think it helps that the black female housemates do tend to be a lot more argumentative, and dare I say, aggressive than others. However...BB seems to stick to stereotypes a LOT, especially these days. For example, females in general on BB seem to be a lot more argumentative and bitchy than males. Usually meaning that the female cast is by far better than the male one. And in turn meaning that females are voted out quicker (when vote to evict is used obviously)

I genuinely do think Deborah would have won if not for 2 things. If Lotan had not snapped with Isabelle (if it had been Deborah who had been his undoing, even better for Debs) and if Hannah not gone in, or had left earlier on...even just at the 'fake eviction'. I think that would have made a lot of difference. Hannah did drag Deborah down, when Hannah was 'gone' Deborah had so much more fun and was much more relaxed.

I don't think it helps anyone to keep up these cries of racism as often as has happened this year.

Yes, a few BB viewers are undeniably racist. Just like some of the population are undeniably racist. Enough to actually affect the voting results? I doubt it, even with the ridiculously low viewing figures.

Fab post Vicky, agree with all of this.

The failure of females, specifically black females to do well in the show isn't down to sexism and/or racism but the fact that they're more often than not based on unlikable stereotypes. And I think that's a real shame.

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by Hayden

She flopped so I was right anyway

[Headie]

So we now have an answer to this thread question.

Well done to all those who voted no