[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Livia

Abercrombie and Fitch? Although they axed their male models at the storefront because it was sexist and outdated. That was two years ago and no one said a bloody word.

It does raise questions as to why it took another two years for people to defend women in the same way especially given it is a situation more common for women.

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Grid Kids will replace grid girls from next season

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42950040

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Grid Kids will replace grid girls from next season

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/42950040

Child labour .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Was going to make a thread on this Cal

Having listened to both sides of the argument I think it's the woman's choice, apparently they do a lot behind the scenes as well and many of them are educated to degree level, no one should dictate who can do nor not do a job

Think we're going backwards , if the women were being disrespected and dressed with their bits showing then I could understand but that's not the case.

Once again the crazy miserable people are making a fuss over nothing, all these girls have lost their jobs thanks to all the pressure and because of stupid complaints .

There was even a grid girl on the morning show the other day who said if she wasn't in the F1 world she would never of learnt how to be a race driver stunt person. It's difficult to get into that job unless you have a stepping stone .

Many of these grid girls need the job financially and they probably want to do other stuff but need this to open the door for them .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Think we're going backwards , if the women were being disrespected and dressed with their bits showing then I could understand but that's not the case.

Once again the crazy miserable people are making a fuss over nothing, all these girls have lost their jobs thanks to all the pressure and because of stupid complaints .

There was even a grid girl on the morning show the other day who said if she wasn't in the F1 world she would never of learnt how to be a race driver stunt person. It's difficult to get into that job unless you have a stepping stone .

Many of these grid girls need the job financially and they probably want to do other stuff but need this to open the door for them .

They haven't lost their jobs, they've lost a once a year gig.

I think having kids there like they do with soccer is a great idea

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They haven't lost their jobs, they've lost a once a year gig.

I think having kids there like they do with soccer is a great idea

I heard this morning the kids are going to be mainly boys

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making it a more family oriented event has got to be a good idea. I presume that is the intent behind it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I heard this morning the kids are going to be mainly boys

I'm sure they will have both, we'll see soon enough, F1 is back next month

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

making it a more family oriented event has got to be a good idea. I presume that is the intent behind it.

Totally agree

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Originally Posted by Cherie

I heard this morning the kids are going to be mainly boys

well they are inviting kids involved in the sport at a junior level, so its even more exclusive than that. Its kids from wealthy families that can afford to put a child on a race track with a car/cart etc in junior events.

[Livia]

I like the idea of kids doing it. And I'm sure it will be mainly boys right now because there are more boys interested in motor sport... but that'll change hopefully.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They haven't lost their jobs, they've lost a once a year gig.

I think having kids there like they do with soccer is a great idea

But plenty of those girls need the money and they actually enjoy their job , it's actually more work than people give them credit for .

If there was something sleazy and dodgy going on with the grid girls then fair enough, but that's not it . And it's the women's choice to be a grid girl ,It's also a misrepresentation to assume they're all dressed in bikini's or something

I wonder if people find it sexiest when male models are involved in events .

If they had grid kids people would say it's unsafe or they'd probably just wouldn't think it would work ,and they'd want to wrap them up in cotton wool .

But kids are involved in football so who knows .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I like the idea of kids doing it. And I'm sure it will be mainly boys right now because there are more boys interested in motor sport... but that'll change hopefully.

Yeah hopefully and despite what some people believe, I think, doing little things like removing women as ornaments and umbrella holders for the men and instead having kids who are hoping to become F1 drivers themselves, may actually help little girls to aspire to doing that instead

[Vicky.]

Which events have male models Every single thing I can think of is women.

I like the idea of kids doing it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But plenty of those girls need the money and they actually enjoy their job , it's actually more work than people give them credit for .

If there was something sleazy and dodgy going on with the grid girls then fair enough, but that's not it . And it's the women's choice to be a grid girl ,It's also a misrepresentation to assume they're all dressed in bikini's or something

I wonder if people find it sexiest when male models are involved in events .

If they had grid kids people would say it's unsafe or they'd probably just wouldn't think it would work ,and they'd want to wrap them up in cotton wool .

They'll have to find a job elsewhere. Another job where the only criteria is that you were born pretty. Great message to young girls.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But plenty of those girls need the money and they actually enjoy their job , it's actually more work than people give them credit for .

If there was something sleazy and dodgy going on with the grid girls then fair enough, but that's not it . And it's the women's choice to be a grid girl ,It's also a misrepresentation to assume they're all dressed in bikini's or something

I wonder if people find it sexiest when male models are involved in events .

If they had grid kids people would say it's unsafe or they'd probably just wouldn't think it would work ,and they'd want to wrap them up in cotton wool .

Like what events, I can't even think of an event where they have men ornaments? I can't really comment unless you give me an example

Also, regarding women relying on the money etc. It's a once a year gig, they can't be that reliant on it tbf

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Which events have male models Every single thing I can think of is women.

I like the idea of kids doing it.

That would surely be sexist, to have a man as a mere decoration while the women do stuff.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Which events have male models Every single thing I can think of is women.

I like the idea of kids doing it.

The Abercrombie & Fitch models, but apparently they've cancelled that .
There will be other male models for other events though surely ?.

I don't mind kids doing the F1 either , but I don't like how the grid girls are being talked about like they're crap or something. Plenty of grid girls might want to be racing drivers themselves and they have qualifications .

Like I said a grid girl was on TV talking about how she became a stunt driver .
The reaction from some feminists were as if the grid girls are seedy like lap dancers or something .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The Abercrombie & Fitch models, but apparently they've cancelled that .
There will be other male models for other events though surely ?.

I don't mind kids doing the F1 either , but I don't like how the grid girls are being talked about like they're crap or something. Plenty of grid girls might want to be racing drivers themselves and they have qualifications .

Like I said a grid girl was on TV talking about how she became a stunt driver .
The reaction from some feminists were as if the grid girls are seedy like lap dancers are something .

Seriously the example you gave was actually cancelled because it was sexist so basically you've actually disproved your own point

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Like what events, I can't even think of an event where they have men ornaments? I can't really comment unless you give me an example

Also, regarding women relying on the money etc. It's a once a year gig, they can't be that reliant on it tbf

https://promotional-models.com.au/se...pless-waiters/

And this is international , there's topless waiters that do promotional work for charity events ,parties etc all over the place.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Livia

They'll have to find a job elsewhere. Another job where the only criteria is that you were born pretty. Great message to young girls.

If you want to get into that then , we could debate about photoshopped models making young girls feel insecure .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

https://promotional-models.com.au/se...pless-waiters/

And this is international , there's topless waiters that do promotional work for charity events ,parties etc all over the place.

Well first off that isn't an event, it's a model agency advertising models for events, they have these for women too. Would I enjoy going to a party and being served by a topless waiter? Not really it seems a bit unhygienic to me to be honest.

But on that subject, private events are private events not world wide watched sports events

[James]

I watched this video on YouTube about it earlier. She says it is comparable to how good-looking people are employed to sell and promote things, in many different fields, because people (male and female, and not necessarily being-attracted-to-way) like looking at good-looking people. I think it is a fair point.

Youtube video

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

If you want to get into that then , we could debate about photoshopped models making young girls feel insecure .

That's terrible too, I don't see how you're using that as a counter argument to what Livia posted though?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by James

I watched this video on YouTube about it earlier. She says it is comparable to how good-looking people are employed to sell and promote things, in many different fields, because people (male and female, and not necessarily being-attracted-to-way) like looking at good-looking people. I think it is a fair point.

Youtube video

That video was already posted James

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's terrible too, I don't see how you're using that as a counter argument to what Livia posted though?

Because more young girls are influenced by photo shopped models and social media more than grid girls . Kim Kardashian probably has alot of young female fans and she posts topless and rude pictures . And girls will see that thinking it's the norm.

And grid girls are models in a way so it doesn't surprise me that they have to be good looking etc . Plus it's a marketing ploy to get more men at the racing events , it's like a sports car being advertised by a glamorous assistant .

I know you don't like it niamh ,but it's not as bad as people are making out.