[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by waterhog

goldheart - I don't think alcohol or cigs have any health benefits - just saying.

Tobacco causes cancer when smoked and inhaled . Bit of alcohol in moderation isn't so bad depending on your current health condition .

If you over use and abuse both then of course they cause harm to your health,but cannabis just isn't in the same boat . And people abuse cannabis rather than use it for medical reasons .

[waterhog]

what I am saying is - yes cannabis is bad for you - but so is drink and smoking normal cigs. like it or not - all have health risks and will catch up with you.

[Saph]

idc I dont smoke it anyway

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by waterhog

goldheart - I don't think alcohol or cigs have any health benefits - just saying.

I think smoking cigarettes can help with symptoms of schizophrenia for some people. I'm not sure on the specifics or how accurate that is but I remember seeing a documentary where it was claimed.

[Jamie89]

Home Office denies medical cannabis pleas for boy age six

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-43101716

At one point while in the UK, Alfie had 3,000 seizures and 48 hospital visits in a year, but while abroad he went 24 days without a single attack.

With the Dutch cannabis medication, it is estimated Alfie would have about 20 seizures a year.

Article from today, very sad case and all the more reason that medicinal use of cannabis needs to be looked at, he's 6 years old and it could reduce the number of attacks from 3000 a year to 20, it just seems really cruel.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by waterhog

what I am saying is - yes cannabis is bad for you - but so is drink and smoking normal cigs. like it or not - all have health risks and will catch up with you.

We all know that. But alcohol is a funny one because they tell you on the news a little bit is ok then next thing you know they're telling us to completely avoid it so we don't risk dementia or mouth cancer .

We use our common sense, if you get drunk every day then you're causing problems with your liver and other risks . But just 1 glass of wine isn't going to hurt you .

But there's nothing wrong with being teetotal either .

[Marsh.]

Nope. It promotes bone idleness.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It really is that simple. No one would say that mushrooms and cocaine are the same things because they do completely different things to the mind/body. Even though there are different strengths and everyone has different limits for those drugs too.

If you're the type of person that gets scared by doing any drug at all; be it alcohol, foliage, or amphetamines, then you shouldn't be doing that drug in any situation.

That's not the point though. Nobody's saying they are the "same things".

Those differences all have the same similarity. Rendering the person experiencing it incapable of operating a vehicle. Even when they think they feel perfectly well enough to do so.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But alcohol & tobacco aren't the same as cannabis .

And cannabis stinks like toxic waste , and has no health benefits by smoking it . It's meant to be used as herbal teas or bathed in .

What are you facepalming?

Try reading my post in the context of the one I responded to.

I simply provided an argument that legalisation isn't going to change anything for the young kids and teens that are attracted to experiment with this stuff.

As someone else said, even if legalised, it's going to come with an age limit alongside cigarettes and alcohol so will still be "forbidden" to them.

But, my main point was that's not always the biggest attraction to kids. When I first tried it, it was simply the curiosity of what "drunk" and "high" actually feels like, rather than the feeling of doing something naughty.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What are you facepalming?

Try reading my post in the context of the one I responded to.

I simply provided an argument that legalisation isn't going to change anything for the young kids and teens that are attracted to experiment with this stuff.

As someone else said, even if legalised, it's going to come with an age limit alongside cigarettes and alcohol so will still be "forbidden" to them.

But, my main point was that's not always the biggest attraction to kids. When I first tried it, it was simply the curiosity of what "drunk" and "high" actually feels like, rather than the feeling of doing something naughty.

I know what you're saying I'm not stupid .
I'm just saying people try to compare cannabis with alcohol & tobacco .
And people don't realise smoking cannabis has no health benefits ,it's not meant to be used that way .

A few people have tried cannabis and tobacco as a one off just to see what it's like as you say . And they either lost interest or didn't like it . And plenty have gotten drunk or had hangover the next day and regretted it .

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I know what you're saying I'm not stupid .
I'm just saying people try to compare cannabis with alcohol & tobacco .
And people don't realise smoking cannabis has no health benefits ,it's not meant to be used that way .

A few people have tried cannabis and tobacco as a one off just to see what it's like as you say . And they either lost interest or didn't like it .

Well, that's a fair enough point to make, but has zero to do with what I actually said. I didn't suggest there were health benefits to tobacco, alcohol or cannabis.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, that's a fair enough point to make, but has zero to do with what I actually said. I didn't suggest there were health benefits to tobacco, alcohol or cannabis.

You were just talking about the age restriction were you not ? .
And how kids always try things they shouldn't.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

You were just talking about the age restriction were you not ? .
And how kids always try things they shouldn't.

Yep, and made the point that making cannabis legal won't lessen its attractiveness to curious teens. As it doesn't with tobacco nor alcohol.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yep, and made the point that making cannabis legal won't lessen its attractiveness to curious teens. As it doesn't with tobacco nor alcohol.

Well that's obvious . Just like more serious illegal drugs like cocaine or Ecstasy still doesn't stop people taking them including youngsters who always find a way to get their hands on them .

[Shaun]

Meant to click the bottom one.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I know what you're saying I'm not stupid .
I'm just saying people try to compare cannabis with alcohol & tobacco .
And people don't realise smoking cannabis has no health benefits ,it's not meant to be used that way .

To be fair, the active part of the drug goes into your system whether you eat it, drink it, smoke it, or stick it in your arsehole... and substances actually enter your system more quickly if you DON'T ingest them, so if it's for pain relief then smoking it is probably the fastest way to get it to work. Though eating it would give more of a slow release / probably longer lasting effect. There are however obvious health drawbacks to smoking anything, and those who claim that you can't **** up your lungs smoking cannabis are just being daft or willfully ignorant. So eating it or taking it in pill form is the safest and most sensible way to take it.

[Mokka]

I'm rendering butter with marijuana rt now to make double chocolate coffee cookies... for medicinal purposes. I guess that means I vote legalize it.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, the active part of the drug goes into your system whether you eat it, drink it, smoke it, or stick it in your arsehole... and substances actually enter your system more quickly if you DON'T ingest them, so if it's for pain relief then smoking it is probably the fastest way to get it to work. Though eating it would give more of a slow release / probably longer lasting effect. There are however obvious health drawbacks to smoking anything, and those who claim that you can't **** up your lungs smoking cannabis are just being daft or willfully ignorant. So eating it or taking it in pill form is the safest and most sensible way to take it.

Yes it all goes into your system but smoking it affects your mind and brain and yes your lungs aswell . So it's far worse but people still think it's helping them despite giving them terrible side effects

http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfac...m-effects.html

Bathing in it is better for you and so is drinking it as a herbal tea boiled .

I'm not buying this rubbish about it calming you or easing pain by smoking it,when people smoke it simply to just get high and that's it .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yes it all goes into your system but smoking it affects your mind and brain and yes your lungs aswell . So it's far worse but people still think it's helping them despite giving them terrible side effects

http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfac...m-effects.html

Bathing in it is better for you and so is drinking it as a herbal tea boiled .

I'm not buying this rubbish about it calming you or easing pain by smoking it,when people smoke it simply to just get high and that's it .

I smoked skunk, once, to try and ease pain..and it worked, and very very well

Have smoked normal dope (not sure what it would be called, the kind thats in a big lump and you have to crumble it )a few times and that worked very well for pain. Not aswell as the skunk did mind, but there may have been a lot more skunk in the joint I had

It does work, for pain. And it clearly calms people given the whole point of getting stoned is to chill out

I don't much like being stoned though, not for me at all plus I always feel ill. But a couple of joints here and there for pain, perfect tbh.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I smoked skunk, once, to try and ease pain..and it worked, and very very well

Have smoked normal dope (not sure what it would be called, the kind thats in a big lump and you have to crumble it ) and that worked very well for pain. Not aswell as the skunk did mind, but there may have been a lot more skunk in the joint I had

It does work, for pain. And it clearly calms people given the whole point of getting stoned is to chill out

I don't much like being stoned though, not for me at all plus I always feel ill. But a couple of joints here and there for pain, perfect tbh.

You're talking short term effects but after that people abuse it and become addicted. I still think smoking weed has no health benefits but we can agree to disagree .

People just enjoy zoning out high as a kite on weed & skunk ,how is that good for them?? . And it causes paranoia ,panic attacks amongst other problems .

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

You're talking short term effects but after that people abuse it and become addicted. I still think smoking weed has no health benefits but we can agree to disagree .

People just enjoy zoning out high as a kite on weed & skunk ,how is that good for them?? . And it causes paranoia ,panic attacks amongst other problems .

Could ask the same thing abouty people drinking tbh. At least if they are stoned they aren't going to be going out fighting and stuff where alcohol seems to induce that in a hell of a lot of people

Why does anyone ever do anything that alters their normal self?

[Greg!]

Do NOT legalise it, it bloody STINKS and puts me in a bad mood. VILE!

[Greg!]

And most people who do it are annoying

[Greg!]

I'm fine with it for medicinal purposes mind

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Could ask the same thing abouty people drinking tbh. At least if they are stoned they aren't going to be going out fighting and stuff where alcohol seems to induce that in a hell of a lot of people

Why does anyone ever do anything that alters their normal self?

Well again it depends . Alcohol can be abused and if you're drinking like a fish then obviously it's not good for you .

Not everyone is a mean violent drunk ,but they definitely put themselves in danger . Aswell as health damage.

Stoners still act weird though , they're like zombies it's like the brain cells are rotting away . And how can you function properly like that ?? and I still say it's bad for you and it stinks so badly.