[LukeB]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

He said Santa was real.

[Matthew.]

umm i don’t want my thread to be closed so stop it thanks x

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He lied to... protect his mum. A criminal mastermind.

I don't buy that he lied to be seen as vulnerable

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I don't buy that he lied to be seen as vulnerable

How does lying about his mum knowing whether or not he had been drinking, make him be seen as vulnerable?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

umm i don’t want my thread to be closed so stop it thanks x

This is totally normal on-topic debate

Plus all of the mods have quit innit...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I don't buy that he lied to be seen as vulnerable

i think you have a problem with the person rather than the offense that he committed. He never lied about the offense. He took full responsibility for it and pleaded guilty.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is totally normal on-topic debate

Plus all of the mods have quit innit...

maybe so but i still dont want it to be closed thank you very much x

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Because he will be treated like it didn't happen and will be overrated again

Translation: you don't like him anyway so spitefully want his career ruined.

If you mean, a year from now/five years from now most people will have forgotten then that's normal and what should happen. Once the crime has been punished, he's apologised then what a complete waste of time and energy it would be to hold it over him the rest of his life.

Unless of course he doesn't learn and something happens again. But, underneath it he seems a decent person and hasn't done something like this before. So this may have been the wake up call he needed to get himself better.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Claiming things like his mum didn't know he was drinking

But maybe she didnt? Who knows? Alcoholics are masters of deceit. And the fact that he is not trying to deflect his guilt shows me he is shouldering the full responsibility of HIS drink driving and pleased guilty. Easy to shove the blame elsewhere but he hasn't.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How does lying about his mum knowing whether or not he had been drinking, make him be seen as vulnerable?

He wants to be seen as a vulnerable person who is addicted but I won't to know why he is only seeking help now? Why didn't he go forward with the rehab last year? One thing be addicted but to you have to want to overcome addiction and he has never shown he wants to defeat his demons

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Translation: you don't like him anyway so spitefully want his career ruined.

If you mean, a year from now/five years from now most people will have forgotten then that's normal and what should happen. Once the crime has been punished, he's apologised then what a complete waste of time and energy it would be to hold it over him the rest of his life.

Unless of course he doesn't learn and something happens again. But, underneath it he seems a decent person and hasn't done something like this before. So this may have been the wake up call he needed to get himself better.

Well said Marsh - and I agree that if he repeat offends THEN 'Throw The Book' at him.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Adam.

He wants to be seen as a vulnerable person who is addicted but I won't to know why he is only seeking help now? Why didn't he go forward with the rehab last year? One thing be addicted but to you have to want to overcome addiction and he has never shown he wants to defeat his demons

Again serious question and not meant to be patronising, do you know many addicts Adam? They will tell you they need help and want it and quite often they do but the addiction often had a stronger hold. They will lie, deflect and cheat to get a fix, very few addicts ever fully recover forever and rarely on their first treatment cycle. Addiction often goes hand in hand with mental illness too.

[Matthew.]

why should we immediately write him off? seems very harsh tbh considering that if you knew Ant as a person, it would be a different story

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Claiming things like his mum didn't know he was drinking

Because clearly that's the most vital piece of information about the whole crime. What an absolute piece of scum he is.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Again serious question and not meant to be patronising, do you know many addicts Adam? They will tell you they need help and want it and quite often they do but the addiction often had a stronger hold. They will lie, deflect and cheat to get a fix, very few addicts ever fully recover forever and rarely on their first treatment cycle. Addiction often goes hand in hand with mental illness too.

I actually have a former drug addict in my family actually.

You ever heard the saying you can't be helped until you help yourself

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

He wants to be seen as a vulnerable person who is addicted but I won't to know why he is only seeking help now? Why didn't he go forward with the rehab last year? One thing be addicted but to you have to want to overcome addiction and he has never shown he wants to defeat his demons

Eh? He went into rehab last summer.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Eh? He went into rehab last summer.

And left without finishing it which was the !main reason his wife left him

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I actually have a former drug addict in my family actually.

You ever heard the saying you can't be helped until you help yourself

Absolutely, and therein lies the problem. As an addict they want the help but they also want the fix. I t depends what pull is stronger.

I won't pry about your family member but I am pleased you said former drug addict which indicates they got well and are one of the lucky ones. I have a very close family member with an addiction which has torn the family apart. I've also lost friends to drug addictions so have seen the devastation close up that addiction can bring so can emphasis that having family member struggling with addiction is tough

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

And left without finishing it which was the !main reason his wife left him

Well... he's an addict so it's not going to be an easy ride and him fixing his problems overnight.

Nobody knows the "main reason" that led to his separation anymore than we know all of the reasons behind his descent into addiction. We don't know them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

But maybe she didnt? Who knows? Alcoholics are masters of deceit. And the fact that he is not trying to deflect his guilt shows me he is shouldering the full responsibility of HIS drink driving and pleased guilty. Easy to shove the blame elsewhere but he hasn't.

what?

do you know what you have to drink to be 2x over?

have you been in a car with someone who is?


I would guess its a no

to both

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what?

do you know what you have to drink to be 2x over?

have you been in a car with someone who is?


I would guess its a no

to both

You have absolutely no idea about anything about me or my life experience so please don't feel you can patronize me by bolding your point, it really doesn't wash with me LT.

But the answer to your question is yes I do. I had no idea he had been drinking and we were stopped and guess what........a 20 month ban and fine was handed out by the court (and a divorce by the way).

[jaxie]

I hope he can get his act together. He has more than a lot of people do to lose if he stays in self destruct.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I hope he can get his act together. He has more than a lot of people do to lose if he stays in self destruct.

me too, I wish him well, he did the crime, he pled guilty, he got a fine just as most first time drink drivers do so I really hope he can get well and move on with his life . I think he has probably learned his lesson.

[Matthew.]

i hope that now the matter is behind us that people can get off of his back. afterl all, he does need space to recover.

[Parmy]

Tomorrows chip wrapper..hopefully just like him.