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kirklancaster · 16-04-2018, 06:23 PM

It is time to LET GO in my opinion.

He was a RECKLESS idiot but did NOT kill anyone - LUCKILY - and he is ill and he is an alcoholic, but he HAS been caught AND punished and he HAS expressed remorse and is at least ATTEMPTING to address his problems.

Ashley. · 16-04-2018, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It is time to LET GO in my opinion.

He was a RECKLESS idiot but did NOT kill anyone - LUCKILY - and he is ill and he is an alcoholic, but he HAS been caught AND punished and he HAS expressed remorse and is at least ATTEMPTING to address his problems.

Nevertheless he broke the law, and could have easily killed somebody who just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. He should have known better.

Denver · 16-04-2018, 06:46 PM

Hope he never works again

Kazanne · 16-04-2018, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes he got lucky
The 86K fine and temp ban on Driving

https://news.sky.com/story/ant-mcpar...crash-11333927

He looks really ill tbh,I don't know what else he can do,he has apologised and it maybe the shock he needed,I am not condoning his stupid actions,but we have all been reckless and stupid at times,I just hope he takes a back seat and gets himself well as he looks like he needs help.

Kazanne · 16-04-2018, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley.

Nevertheless he broke the law, and could have easily killed somebody who just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. He should have known better.

It's ok for us to sit back and play judge and jury and yes he could have killed someone,but he didn't,so do you think this incident should ruin the rest of his life? what more would you like him to do? there but for the grace of God,go I,

Denver · 16-04-2018, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's ok for us to sit back and play judge and jury and yes he could have killed someone,but he didn't,so do you think this incident should ruin the rest of his life? what more would you like him to do? there but for the grace of God,go I,

It shouldn't ruin his life because he is a person you like?

Everyday civilians make bad decisions how many of those have been let of leniently?

Ashley. · 16-04-2018, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's ok for us to sit back and play judge and jury and yes he could have killed someone,but he didn't,so do you think this incident should ruin the rest of his life? what more would you like him to do? there but for the grace of God,go I,

I never said it should ruin the rest of his life. He's paid for his crime, had a lucky escape and he's accepted he was wrong, that's good enough for me. I don't want him to suffer for all of eternity, I'm just laying out the facts.

Kazanne · 16-04-2018, 07:05 PM

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It shouldn't ruin his life because he is a person you like?

Everyday civilians make bad decisions how many of those have been let of leniently?

Who said he is a person I like,I have no feeling about him one way or another he is a person as you and I are, I have known several people who HAVE actually killed someone and got lenient sentences,that's the British judicial system for you,i don't see your point

Did you want him to go to prison? he has lost his wife,his reputation along with his sentence today what else could they have done?

AnnieK · 16-04-2018, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam.

It shouldn't ruin his life because he is a person you like?

Everyday civilians make bad decisions how many of those have been let of leniently?

How he been let off leniently? The sentence he got is the same as any first time offender caught at double the drink drive limit.

kirklancaster · 16-04-2018, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley.

Nevertheless he broke the law, and could have easily killed somebody who just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. He should have known better.

What part of my post prompts you to respond with the above Ashley? Here it is below:

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post:

It is time to LET GO in my opinion.

He was a RECKLESS idiot but did NOT kill anyone - LUCKILY - and he is ill and he is an alcoholic, but he HAS been caught AND punished and he HAS expressed remorse and is at least ATTEMPTING to address his problems.

arista · 16-04-2018, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

He looks really ill tbh,I don't know what else he can do,he has apologised and it maybe the shock he needed,I am not condoning his stupid actions,but we have all been reckless and stupid at times,I just hope he takes a back seat and gets himself well as he looks like he needs help.

Very True Kaz

Denver · 16-04-2018, 07:13 PM

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How he been let off leniently? The sentence he got is the same as any first time offender caught at double the drink drive limit.

Because he will be treated like it didn't happen and will be overrated again

user104658 · 16-04-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam.

It shouldn't ruin his life because he is a person you like?

Everyday civilians make bad decisions how many of those have been let of leniently?

He didn't kill or even (really) hurt anyone (scrapes and bruises) so that shouldn't ruin ANYONE'S life

. Pnishments aren't doled out based on what "could have" happened... if they were, half of the population would be in prison

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Also, similarly to how he shouldn't be let off easily because of his status, you also can't make his punishment more severe because of his status... he got the same punishment as what anyone else would have gotten - the major part of it being losing his license. Now... for him, that's probably not a huge deal as he can likely afford a driver... for the average person, losing your license for 18 months could be life-ruining. But that's not really the point. You can't just say "Well, because it matters less to him, the punishment should be altered to be worse".

I think in general in these cases, some sort of community service would probably be a good idea, but again, I'd say that if it was just a celeb being reckless and driving home from a party drunk. In this case, to be honest he's quite blatantly a complete wreck and it wouldn't be appropriate.

I for one hope he sorts himself out. TBH continuing to live like that is a far worse than a prison sentence.

Ashley. · 16-04-2018, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

What part of my post prompts you to respond with the above Ashley? Here it is below:

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post:

It is time to LET GO in my opinion.

He was a RECKLESS idiot but did NOT kill anyone - LUCKILY - and he is ill and he is an alcoholic, but he HAS been caught AND punished and he HAS expressed remorse and is at least ATTEMPTING to address his problems.

Thanks for putting it in bold, Kirk. You must think I'm extra stupid.

I was responding to the general attitude of "he's apologised, so let's forget about it." And I disagree... I think that although he's apologised, we shouldn't forget about it. I don't quite understand why nothing other than a difference of opinion required such a patronising response.

bots · 16-04-2018, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam.

Because he will be treated like it didn't happen and will be overrated again

that's a comment coming from your personal dislike of him and that's not how the law works

user104658 · 16-04-2018, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam.

Because he will be treated like it didn't happen and will be overrated again

I don't think there's any evidence of that yet, though? If he doesn't genuinely commit to getting help and doesn't seem to be remorseful down the line, then sure, he would deserve some "judgement" but at this point there's no evidence at all that he's being treated like it didn't happen, or that he's treating it like it didn't happen, or really that he's doing anything at all other than apologising and seeking help.

AnnieK · 16-04-2018, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam.

Because he will be treated like it didn't happen and will be overrated again

So you think he should be eternally punished? That is not what would happen to you or I if we he drink drove, so why should it happen to him?

I guess the question you asked Kaz could be flipped for you......he should be treated more harshly than a normal citizen because you think he is overrated??

Do you think Rooney should have never played again, or Ray Wilkins never commentary again, or countless other celebs caught drink driving never work again? Or is it just Ant that should be tarnished forever?

Matthew. · 16-04-2018, 07:22 PM

he looks unwell there, as if he’s lost

i feel sorry for him - NOT excusing drink driving - however I do feel desperately sorry for him here and i hope he gets all the treatments that he needs to get back on track and back to normal at the pace that he needs.

Denver · 16-04-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

So you think he should be eternally punished? That is not what would happen to you or I if we he drink drove, so why should it happen to him?

I guess the question you asked Kaz could be flipped for you......he should be treated more harshly than a normal citizen because you think he is overrated??

Do you think Rooney should have never played again, or Ray Wilkins never commentary again, or countless other celebs caught drink driving never work again? Or is it just Ant that should be tarnished forever?

He lied though which makes it even worse

user104658 · 16-04-2018, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

Do you think Rooney should have never played again, or Ray Wilkins never commentary again, or countless other celebs caught drink driving never work again? Or is it just Ant that should be tarnished forever?

Indeed; or what about Robert Downey Junior? He was arrested speeding down a highway with a car (and presumably, himself) full of drugs. Plus he had a gun in the car

. But if he hadn't been "forgiven" and turned his life around, we wouldn't have Iron Man. Maybe no Avengers at all

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kirklancaster · 16-04-2018, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley.

Thanks for putting it in bold, Kirk. You must think I'm extra stupid.

I was responding to the general attitude of "he's apologised, so let's forget about it." And I disagree... I think that although he's apologised, we shouldn't forget about it. I don't quite understand why nothing other than a difference of opinion required such a patronising response.

I don't think that you are stupid at all, but I do think you are being unnecessarily aggressive and also misperceiving MY response because I am not patronising you at all.

I did not say 'Let's forget about it' I said 'It is time to LET GO - in my opinion' which means - as the rest of my post explained - that he has been caught and punished, has expressed remorse and an intent to get help for his problems, so it is time to Let it Go.

As for 'difference of opinion' - there is not even one if you read what I actually wrote and compare it with what you have had to say.