[Angus]

Originally Posted by PaulyJ

You can't do that Poster, Human rights must apply to all humans, else they become non human in the brain of society, as in peodophiles, and rapist's and to a degree terrorist's. They become animals, and thus outside the realms of understanding, and reasoning. If you extend that to ALL criminals, even the girl who shop lifted to feed her heroin habit which she gained because her BF wanted a partner in misery, and she was to weak, foolish or what have you, to say no, then you are saying once she is convicted she forfits the right to have a decent level of treatment in the prison system. The prison service will soon figure out they can save a heap of cash buy sticking 10 women in a cell currently serving 2, the food budget could be slashed by serving tripe 7 days a week. If your intention is to release this girl one day then she would surely be a hollow loveless, careless person, and she would bring that back into society.

What about Stefen Kishcow, wrongly Convicted of a Child murder, no human right's means he would not of had a right of appeal, and would of died in jail, an innocent man, and his precious story would of not been told, faith in a "sometimes floored" system assured, 10 years of that, and their would be no such thing as a innocent man in jail, because the only way we know of these things is because he exercised his Human rights, and told his story.

I do realise that there would be positive's to come from your suggestion, such as a reduction in crime, but as all things it is a balancing act, and i fear you have fallen off with this suggestion.

I am 100% sure that if this was the Western Norm then Guantanimo, The Holocost, Ruwanda, Serbia would not be such big deals, as all these cases envolve your very suggestion, if all the Jews we're criminals, rather than Jews could you of lived with their fate?

I would wish to resign from the human race and find an island somewhere and curl up into a ball and die.

I was locked up for 7 days for non payment of council tax, and prison is not the holiday camp people think it is.

Am not following your logic - "Human Rights" are commensurate with "Human Responsibilities" they do not exist in a vacuum. Human Rights legislation is deeply FLAWED because it does not take account of the simple and irrefutable fact that one person exercising his/her "human rights" can infringe another person's "human rights" because rather than having a universal code of behaviour, rights and responsibilities, it has been interpreted to mean an "INDIVIDUAL'S" rights.

You are also being disingenuous by suggesting that I have advocated the same severity of treatment to all convicted criminals, common sense would dictate that the seriousness of the crime and the danger posed to the public must be taken into account, not only when handing down sentences, but also in denying criminals such as murderers, rapists, terrorists, paeodphiles the right to cynically use the legal system they have blithely abused in order to evade their punishment. Such criminals have deprived people of their LIVES, and have relinquished their claims to be treated as normal members of society. They have given up their right to be treated as anything other than what they are. To paraphrase what you say "THEY have RESIGNED from the human race".

In this day and age, where we have sophisticated means of establishing guilt, such as DNA evidence, CCTV etc, there is far less likelihood of miscarriages of justice, and the minority that do occur should not be used as a reason not to protect the law abiding members of society from its most dangerous members.

You use the example of a drug addict shoplifting - well I can assure you that such minor criminals are usually treated well in prison, offered drug counselling and support to come of drugs etc., but there is only so much others can do, and it is more than likely that once released a drug addict will probably re-offend.

You have admitted you were jailed for non payment of council tax and did not enjoy the experience - Well if you did indeed NOT pay your council tax like the rest of us have to, then the powers that be are entitled to follow the proscribed punishment - incarceration, and it is not meant to be a holiday camp or a recreational break. It is meant to also be a deterrent from further offending.

Finally, what the hell are you waffling about regarding the holocaust, Rwanda, Serbia etc. Your argument is ridiculous. You are talking about genocide which is a crime against humanity perpetrated by evil and immoral dictatorships. Please get YOUR facts straight. NOBODY who is remotely sane would ever condone the mass extermination of innocent people. As for Guantanamo Bay, that was a situation where prisoners were being abused in contravention of international law (in existence long before the present Human Rights legislation).