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Originally Posted by JoshBB

To your first post, I will simply refer to my previous points because I feel I've explained my view enough here. Their legal status is incorrect, and during the court they should have looked into correcting it before sending them to a male prison where they will face harassment and suicidal thoughts. It may also be worth noting that changing one's legal documents is a process that takes time, and how long this person has been 'out' as transgender is unknown from this article. I am making the assumption that they have not managed to have their legal status changed and there is no malicious intent here, along with the 'innocent until proven guilty' principle embodied within the law. We cannot draw assumptions like this without proper evidence to suggest as such.

Yes, it takes time. However, if they were in the process of this there would be a record and a very good case for them being moved to the prison of their choice even if the paperwork hadn't been finalised.

Originally Posted by JoshBB

We cannot draw assumptions like this without proper evidence to suggest as such.

Which is the exact basis of my point. We can't simply take people at face value. Fantastic if we could. But the world doesn't work that way.

Originally Posted by JoshBB

In regards to your 'can of worms' comment, I just simply disagree. People can claim a different legal gender if they really want, but what is the result? A cisgender woman gets to go into a male prison? So what? Stupid them for attempting to exploit the system, they will be removed from the prison with time and probably convicted of fraud in said scenario.

Well, you've actually just provided an example of a can of worms.

Never mind the prisoner themselves, what about the the entire wing full of women who don't want to share facilities with a man? They don't get their wish but this person claiming to be a woman in a man's body does?

Also, convicted of fraud on what grounds? If you've given people the right to say "My documents are wrong, I'm actually [insert whatever here]" and that's it then there are no grounds for fraud in this bizarre case. We're not talking about proving someone lied about a qualification on their CV, we're talking about someone's feelings and state of mind.

Originally Posted by JoshBB

For those outside the two gender 'norms', male and female, it would depend on the person's wishes and how the court feels appropriate. It may be wise to look into designating a few prisons (only a few) to those who identify as gender-neutral, genderqueer, or anything else not legally recognised. I'm not sure on this, but I believe a person can specify their gender as 'other' in many countries, and that could work here I think. There would not need to be many of these, since assuming 5% of the population commits a crime.. we could make an assumption that 5% of the non-binary population also commit crimes. And given the very small minority that they are, it would be very little people, if any. LGBT+ do tend to have lower crime rates anyway.

And to this, I have the same reaction I had to them adding about 150 new genders to the list on Facebook.......