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Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's a very English lower middle class opinion. Nothing was ever changed in recent modern history by writing a stern letter or handing in a petition.

Even in the burbs if you want to be listened to and taken seriously you have to galvanise and organise.

This is what they are doing, if the net twitchers are scared by the sight of these protests then they need educating not placating.

Your ' go with the flow' mindset is not working. There's a reason idealism fades with age... that is because people like you stop speaking up for others and concentrate on work, bills and raising the next generation of plebs. (not calling your brats plebs btw) you are so stressed, tired and busy you don't have the time or energy to care about anyone outside your inner circle.

Meanwhile those who are not being treated equal go on not being treated equal. Whether you still care or not.

To claim that nothing has changed in recent history (unless you somehow think "recent" means 10 years and not 50) is just verifiably not true, and the things that have changed the most have changed because of mainstream acceptance and support. Now... I don't particularly LIKE that being the case. Having to convince the bulk public of something to get change, when the bulk public is a heaving sack of idiots, is extremely frustrating.

Like I said though it's not really an argument that needs to be had round in circles, it's theory-based and if you're right then the current gradual slide towards bolstered righteous indignation will result in meaningful change. Give me a nudge when that happens.