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Originally Posted by Glenn.

I mean that’s great but he did ask for by throwing the first punch. His stupid racist arse violently escalated it.

The stance though is still that if someone "has it coming"/"deserves it"/"is asking for it" then the correct course of action, the morally right thing to do, is to give in to base violent urges and go ahead with throwing punches.

I'm literally never going to agree with that. Violence isn't the right choice, unless yourself or others are at immediate risk, you don't sink to the level of the person you want to attack, you find a better way. It's understandable that people aren't always perfect IN that situation and might lash out - and you can't always condemn those people, but you should never applaud them. It's that simple for me. It literally does not matter what the person has said or done.

Oliver's comparison was a terrible one but I'm going to offer one up that I think is, more or less, an EXACT comparison - but that I imagine people are still not going to like, fair warning.



The people on this thread who are saying that violent action against this racist old man is justified, right and acceptible are the SAME people who have been insisting - again and again, and again and again and again - RIGHTLY I might add - that in cases where black men have been subjected to battery, assault, injury and death by police officers - their past crimes do not matter and are irrelevant, and that excessive force and brutality is never justified.

Can someone please explain to me the double-think that allows you to insist that a man's past as a drug dealer, violent offender and domestic abuser does NOT justify excessive violence being used against him, but an old man saying racist things DOES justify excessive violence?

Again I will reiterate that I absolutely agree with the sentiments on those other threads - nothing justifies brutality, it DOESN'T matter who those men were or what they had done. But you have to apply that thinking across the board, or you are demonstrably a hypocrite, and when you say "what those men had done in the past doesn't matter" in other situations, you have no leg left to stand on. You're here, in this thread, insisting blue-in-the-face that it does matter. That doing bad things justifies unnecessary violent response. Does it or doesn't it? At least make up your mind.