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[rquote=2500002&tid=144329&author=J-Rock][rquote=2499987&tid=144329&author=setanta][rquote=2499957&tid=144329&author=-BB~Jordan-][rquote=2499915&tid=144329&author=setanta][rquote=2499891&tid=144329&author=J-Rock][rquote=2499863&tid=144329&author=setanta][rquote=2499770&tid=144329&author=J-Rock][rquote=2499754&tid=144329&author=setanta]You have to break it down into segments really, and I do think you're forgetting someone who was a huge part of the start of the show: Sree.[/rquote]

Granted, and I will work on the polling skills (first one!), but it's late and I wanted some quick answers - haha.

Also wanted an overall view, not segments.

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Ah don't worry. I'm not having a go or anything. Overall though it has to be Marcus right? He was involved in all the storylines really.[/rquote]

Well, love em both, but for me Freddie just edges it as he had more of the 'soap' like stories (Lisa's mob, coming of age with rabbitgate (and his American History X makeover), Bea...). Marcus and Freddie are equals for me in terms of characters in themselves - mannerisms, one-liners (although Marcus has the best one-liners)....But really as a pollster I shouldn't be getting involved in such debate

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Think Freddie let himself down badly in the last few weeks, with his friendship with Bea and his burgeoning ego that had always been there but he was forced to hide becuz of the bullying he had to endure. In essence, we were kinda forced to like him and to deny his irrating behaviour. Think Marcus is irrating too but he's so bloody entertaining and consistent. That's why I'd have him ahead.[/rquote]

Absolute wrong, his ego boost was when Bea came in (he liked her and she was saying i really like you and all that), and liek he said, he wernt being cocky, he thought he would stay because he wanted to stay and Marcus wanted to go, but i will agree, it did seem a lil cocky at the time.

And to say we were forced to like him is so rude, I liked him cuz I thought he was a funny geniune chap, the bullies at the time were jsut big headed idiots. Yes at times he was abit irritating, but arnt they all?

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I'm saying we liked him more becuz of the bullying he had to endure. That's a fair comment and not wrong as far as I can see. He has very annoying habits that we accepted more readily becuz of the position he had been placed in within the house. And his "humour" was us laughing at his jovial ways of expressing himself which would drive any sane person mad after awhile. mmmm over every tiny morsel of food is a perfect example.

I admired his courage and integrity when he was being bullied but thought he let himself down badly in the end. We're all in control of our own behaviour and its unfair to attach all the blame on Bea for his silliness at the end. [/rquote]


Yes, but setanta, marcus let himself down by playing all odd with Noirin - so they both 'fell' in that way but at different points.

As I said, they both have their faults. Just because Freddie acted like a bit of a fool for a few days over a woman, and vented some of his spleen in a silly way back at Lisa (and boy didn't she deserve it!) and was indeed immature at times, doesn't devalue his integrity imo. He was totally himself in there and his mannersisms I actually found endearing rather than annoying (but I suppose I wasnlt living with him).....still a good soul, nonetheless [/rquote]

Women were the downfall for the them. And both women were little biatches, id be happy to blame them