[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Yeah but Nintendo allows this. All with the quality seal B.S.

As for top quality Xbox & PS3 games that don't involve major franchise characters?

Mass Effect, Bioshock, Infamous, Crackdown, Dead Rising, Just Cause, LittleBigPlanet, Assasins Creed, Borderlands, Left 4 Dead, Dragon Age, Saints Row and Gears Of War are all brand new gaming franchises that have started this generation.

Can the Wii even come close to that? What reputable new gaming franchises has it established for the gamer this generation? Very few. It's simply a dumping ground for the same old characters and third parties who are making a quick buck off generic casual games.

Developers are not that interested in developing serious games for the Wii. And why would they be? If I had a game idea I would take it to the Xbox or PS3 where I had the hardware to express it and the owners to buy it. All this because while Nintendo were trying to get my nan to play games, they forgot about the gamers.

The Wii sells because of it's casual appeal. But Nintendo really need to rely on more than the same old characters to sell the games. If they didn't, the GameCube wouldn't have bombed.

Fair points but my main point is that the Wii isn't a crap console, It's first party franchises are pretty much second to none and the hardcore games that are released on the wii are just as good as something you'd find on the others. It's got the crappy casual games yes but to dismiss the good games on the console because of them is ignorance.

Also all those games on that list are third party games, name me first party games since that was my point in the last post. Since we're making lists here's a list of Wii games that are Critically acclaimed/Non casual/Hardcore games.

Mario Galaxy
New Super Mario Bros
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Metroid Prime: Echoes
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
No More Heroes 1+2 (New IP)
Silent Hill (The ps2 and PSP versions are downgraded ports of the wii version)
Dead Space: Extraction
Tatsunoko Vs Capcom (New IP)
Punch Out
Mad World (New IP)
The Conduit (New IP)


That's just from memory, If I were to research it I could add many more. The strength of the Wii and Nintendo consoles does lie in the first party games but the thing is 9 times out of 10 Nintendo brand games are brilliant and I can't say for sure but that mark of quality only extends to the first party games if I remember correctly.

The Wii's not perfect but it isn't crap either, it's the one console that has the most potential for improvement and I think it's sequel could blow the PS4 and Xbox 720 (or whatever it will be called) out the water if they address some of the big problems with the Wii.

The thing is as well is that Microsoft and Sony rely on their first party franchises too, They wouldn't dare release a console nowadays without Halo (Halo 3, ODST, Halo Wars and Halo Reach so far this generation)/Gran Turismo/God of War/Uncharted. Yes, these are new franchises but when Sony and Microsoft begin to match Nintendo's years in the game industry they'll come to rely on these franchises as much as Nintendo relies on their's. It's all about brand familiarity. At the end of the day there's never been a bad Gran Turismo/Halo/GOW/Mario/Zelda so as long as the quality keeps up who cares?

It's my opinion anyway, no such thing as a bad console only bad games for it. (with the exception of the N-Gage......)