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Originally Posted by James

Having 'big names' on Celeb Big Brother doesn't make the show any better, unless you're an actual fan of the celebrity and want to see what that person is really like.

All having stars would do is maybe get some extra people to watch, and even that is debatable when you look at the lack of star-power that Strictly and I'm a Celeb had this year, and the ratings those shows got.

Exactly. Let's compare CBB10 and CBB11. I know CBB10 was in the summer and would have less viewers, but they had a much better overall cast than CBB11. Also look at the final week of CBB11, apart from Speidi and the Rylan row, there was NOTHING going on, however, the week increased in ratings and the final was the highest rated final of any BB series on Channel 5 despite the obvious winner.

Even if you can't compare the summer with the winter, lets compare CBB9 and CBB11 which were both on in the winter... CBB9 was a better series, better HMs, better finalists and often regarded a classic, but CBB11 still beat it.

I think what this means is that you can't really observe quality with ratings any more. You could have an incredible series that could rate low, or a poor one which happens to rate highly. I don't really know what happens to the ratings sometimes. It's a little unexpected. God knows what we are looking at this year, an average of under 2m or an average of over 3m. You just never know.