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Originally Posted by jaxie

It's not hard to fathom at all. There is no 'fear' about parliament debating it, it just simply isn't necessary. Parliament had a vote for a referendum and it was a clear referendum with clear choices. A leave vote means we would leave, to leave we have to start the process of article 50, everyone knew that so what's to talk about? We have two choices really. We can leave without any deals and look for deals away from the EU with countries that want deals with us like Australia which is bigger than the EU and UK altogether as a land mass. Or we can negotiate to see if they want to do a trade deal with us and let us remain in the single market. They trade with us more than we do with them so that might be in their interest. It obvious that the government will try to get as much of a deal as the EU is willing to give, which also isn't really much to debate. What we don't know is what concessions the government will be willing to give I'm return. Those concessions once discussed are about the only thing the government might have to talk about with the rest of the UK and there isn't much point unless they are of interest to the EU after some talks. Then the government can come back to us and say if you want this, they want to allow this. Then we can talk.

I have even seen it suggested in an interview by someone involved in the writing of article 50 that you don't even have to do that. He said make no further payments, don't go to meetings and the EU would realise eventually you were gone! Going by what he said we may not even be bound to trigger article 50 to leave at all. He seemed to be suggesting it was more of a courtesy. Not sure how accurate that is but an interesting idea.

I think it's wishful thinking to suggest people wouldn't vote leave again. I think more people would vote leave if the will of the people was ignored from the first vote.

Well jaxie keep coming back all you like, I have said my feelings on the issue and I certainly know yours.
We simply do not and will not agree.
I think the govt needs strong and in depth scrutiny.

No govt. should be able to make all decisions and have no analysis of same on this issue just as really no party should either.
Not anyway without a mandate for same from the voters in a new general election as to their plans.

The Judges thought that too from the position of the law of the UK.
I disagree with you that MPs should be ignored by the govt on this, even worse is that as to MPs there is only 1 MP from UKIP, who are the ones who forced this referendum anyway.
Yet even he will not get and will be denied a vote in parliament on this, if Theresa May gets her way..
I do not agree with UKIP much but that is ridiculous.

A leave vote did not give actually support the triggering of article 50 in itself,it will be done after this result,and MPs will vote for that too, however all the last vote in parliament was for and sanctioned to be done,was to hold a referendum nothing else.
What happens after that vote should then still be a matter for all MPs in parliament from a multi party National campaign.

Instead of dawdling Theresa May could have had the vote over and done with as to triggering article 50 after the Autumn recess rather than bring about all this going on now possibly.

You may want to give this govt and Theresa May a blank cheque on this, I certainly don't and there you and I will always disagree I am afraid.