[Maru]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Common sense

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I have to ask this as a bystander (this would be too frustrating for me as a citizen)... I think they should pack it in, go with the official law and just follow through with the formality if they have to... appealing it lengthens the process. Wouldn't that go against the interests of those wishing to leave?...

Why do people not want a vote on this?

It sounded like to me it too would since most seem to agree they will abide by the public's decision to leave, so what is the harm in casting a public vote for leaving?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Maru

I have to ask this as a bystander (this would be too frustrating for me as a citizen)... I think they should pack it in, go with the official law and just follow through with the formality if they have to... appealing it lengthens the process. Wouldn't that go against the interests of those wishing to leave?...

Why do people not want a vote on this?

It sounded like to me it too would since most seem to agree they will abide by the public's decision to leave, so what is the harm in casting a public vote for leaving?

I think for the most part because it's not necessary. There are many times, as quoted in the clip, where treaties have been passed without having to go through parliament. It doesn't seem to make sense that to leave treaties that haven't been voted in parliament, we have to vote in parliament.

I think probably a lot of people are worried about political blackmail and being forced into an EU lite to get the vote through at all. The leader of the opposition has already made threats. And in fact made himself look a total loser in doing so. If he is going to make demands, I say we need a referendum on his demands and whether the people actually want them. He isn't speaking for me.

If we're going to micro manage this thing we can really micro manage it and go back to whether the referendum to stay in the common market a year after entering in the 70s was actually valid.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think for the most part because it's not necessary. There are many times, as quoted in the clip, where treaties have been passed without having to go through parliament. It doesn't seem to make sense that to leave treaties that haven't been voted in parliament, we have to vote in parliament.

I think probably a lot of people are worried about political blackmail and being forced into an EU lite to get the vote through at all. The leader of the opposition has already made threats.

Sounds like AHCA Brexit-style.

And in fact made himself look a total loser in doing so.

I hate when they do that.

If he is going to make demands, I say we need a referendum on his demands and whether the people actually want them. He isn't speaking for me.

Do the people write your parliament like we write Congress here? Will you show up with pitchforks? At least you live in a country small enough that that is practical to do. I lived 30 minutes from DC when I was in the northeast...that was a big perk. I could drive over to Obama's house and shake his fence. Now I think they'll probably tazer you if you try... they've gotten more knee-jerky since that one guy jumped the fence and scaled the lawn into the WH.

If we're going to micro manage this thing we can really micro manage it and go back to whether the referendum to stay in the common market a year after entering in the 70s was actually valid.

I'm not old enough to have this kind of perspective, but is it me or does it take longer for govts now to decide to do things? I'd read an article with rule changes they made to cracking deals behind closed doors in Congress... that helped to gum up the works. However, I feel like when you have social media, internet, etc... it's harder to even get things done transparently. Everything is scrutinized and your enemies will be there with gasoline and a match anytime you attempt to do something they don't agree with you on... makes it hard to make a move on these things.


I really hope Brexit doesn't turn into AHCA. If the UK can get it together and actually do this thing and make it work the way it is intended, our countries and others will look to yours as a leader and a starting model towards modernizing govt.