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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And therein lies the problem with making sweeping statements about religion when discussing other issues. You get backlash, and the real issue gets lost.

But hey... you gotta fight for the right to... say stuff about Muslims etc. at any given opportunity. I guess. I mean that's the important thing isn't it? What was this story about again?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Perhaps some truth in that, but as is frequently pointed out, the gender inequality issues are largely cultural rather than religious, and more relevant to country of origin than religious leanings. Therefore, saying "an Asian gang" is sufficient, and there is no need to emphasise (possibly even assume?) "Muslim Asian". It feels, to me, like kicking the hornet's nest purely for the sake of it, or "point scoring". As always, counter-productive and distracting from the issue at hand and for... what? The "right" to make some sort of petty point.

"Aha those Muslims again!", absolutely no different to the "white people cant be racist" rhetoric. It's "outrage and incredulity" and the expense of real progress.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mentioned neither colour nor race? It is you who is assuming that all middle eastern men are practicing Muslims, by insisting on terming a middle eastern gang "a Muslim gang".

Regardless; my point stands. No matter how much truth ther is in it, if focussing on "Muslim!" is actually counterproductive to finding a solution, then why do it? Does the right to be fruitlessly outraged come before the need for level-headed solutions?

This and this and this all day long.

The constant need to highlight the word Muslim is pointless at best.