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Originally Posted by Hallelujah

That was once, no need for sarcasm. Ben right now doesn't need to be wind up to get angry.

Yes but the Ben now has been in prison for murder and had all other manner of things happen to make him that way.

If Charlie Jones was still there he'd have probably still done all that as they were clearly setting Ben on this path back when he was in it. Remember him abusing Louise with a teaspoon.