[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

manchester is not in london

and yet Khan was the one who was telling people to remain calm, and i'm not lying i've heard that, on BBC Breakfast i thought immediately after those attacks

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

and yet Khan was the one who was telling people to remain calm, and i'm not lying i've heard that, on BBC Breakfast i thought immediately after those attacks

and what is the alternative to that advice"?

he may as well have told people to keep breathing

what a load of old tosh

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and what is the alternative to that advice"?

he may as well have told people to keep breathing

what a load of old tosh

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I can't say I saw Khan at Grenfell at all, maybe I missed it, and Manchester has its own Mayor.

A mayor whos "we wont lie down" speeches after the manchester attacks could be blamed for a 200 percent rise in hate crimes over the following year.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

True. White indigenous people have been driven out to Essex and other surrounding counties if they want to live in their own communities. Anyone who thinks that isn't true doesn't live in London. My borough, Newham, was the first borough in the country where incomers outnumbered the indigenous people by more than 50%. Now that figure is nearing a massive 90%. The whole white working class culture of east London is dead. A memorial to people who died in the Blitz is regularly defaced with Islamic messages... says it all, really.

When I was a kid it was a mad ethnic mix and I loved it. But it isn't a mix anymore. The only option was to move out because if any white person complained, they'd be called a racist. As I will probably be in replies to this.

It's the same in some parts of Birmingham Livia and I guess a few other places, there are more mosques than churches, most of the shops and schools have very few white people compared to years ago, I have relatives there who although they love the place have now decided to move out as in some places it's a no go area,and this is why people worry about immigration being out of control nothing to do with racism,they are losing their heritage and traditions.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's the same in some parts of Birmingham Livia and I guess a few other places, there are more mosques than churches, most of the shops and schools have very few white people compared to years ago, I have relatives there who although they love the place have now decided to move out as in some places it's a no go area,and this is why people worry about immigration being out of control nothing to do with racism,they are losing their heritage and traditions.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/37...wns-and-cities

And some people on here who said it could never happen demonstrate a lack of understanding of simple maths.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It's the same in some parts of Birmingham Livia and I guess a few other places, there are more mosques than churches, most of the shops and schools have very few white people compared to years ago, I have relatives there who although they love the place have now decided to move out as in some places it's a no go area,and this is why people worry about immigration being out of control nothing to do with racism,they are losing their heritage and traditions.

That's simply not true. That whole narrative is just pure white people fear mongering. I live right next to Birmingham, I hate it and would have no reason to defend it but it's not like that at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's simply not true. That whole narrative is just pure white people fear mongering. I live right next to Birmingham, I hate it and would have no reason to defend it but it's not like that at all.

i was in Coventry recently and it ws just like that, bloody awful and incongruous to the rest of the UK.

a mess

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i was in Coventry recently and it ws just like that, bloody awful and incongruous to the rest of the UK.

a mess

hmm.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's simply not true. That whole narrative is just pure white people fear mongering. I live right next to Birmingham, I hate it and would have no reason to defend it but it's not like that at all.

Yes it IS like that,try Sparkbrook and out lying areas,my relatives lived in Sheldon,used to be lovely it's a ****hole now,there ARE NO GO areas fact.

[Tom4784]

Nah, that's just white fear speaking.

There are no 'no go areas'.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nah, that's just white fear speaking.

There are no 'no go areas'.

You can say that over and over it doesn't make it true, so we will have to agree to disagree,

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nah, that's just white fear speaking.

There are no 'no go areas'.

Blinkered vision.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You can say that over and over it doesn't make it true, so we will have to agree to disagree,

No we don't because what you're saying just doesn't happen. Explain to me how it happens because anybody I've ever met that are all like' THE MUSLIMS ARE TAKING OVER!' has never been able to logically explain their point because it's just not logical.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No we don't because what you're saying just doesn't happen. Explain to me how it happens because anybody I've ever met that are all like' THE MUSLIMS ARE TAKING OVER!' has never been able to logically explain their point because it's just not logical.

No one said the muslims are taking over,God knows why that was put in capitals,but if your eyesight is good it's not hard to see how Birmingham has changed over the years, white people just do not walk around at night in certain places like Aston,Lozells,Handworth ,Sparkbrook,Try Dolobran road !!!,I know it's true so I have no more to say on this.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No one said the muslims are taking over,God knows why that was put in capitals,but if your eyesight is good it's not hard to see how Birmingham has changed over the years, white people just do not walk around at night in certain places like Aston,Lozells,Handworth ,Sparkbrook,Try Dolobran road !!!,I know it's true so I have no more to say on this.

I like how your argument basically comes down to 'When I go to Birmingham, I see as many black and brown faces as I do white faces, it's obviously not safe for white people anymore'.

People don't walk around most of the areas you listed because of the crime, Aston and Handsworth is known for it in particular. I've walked around Lozells plenty of times without trouble.

There's a difference between an area being a 'no go zone' for white people and certain white people being uncomfortable because other races make them feel that way.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I like how your argument basically comes down to 'When I go to Birmingham, I see as many black and brown faces as I do white faces, it's obviously not safe for white people anymore'.

People don't walk around most of the areas you listed because of the crime, Aston and Handsworth is known for it in particular. I've walked around Lozells plenty of times without trouble.

There's a difference between an area being a 'no go zone' for white people and certain white people being uncomfortable because other races make them feel that way.

I have already stated I have relatives there , one lot who have decided to move away,I know what I see, so I disagree with your interpretation of Birmingham.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I have already stated I have relatives there , one lot who have decided to move away,I know what I see, so I disagree with your interpretation of Birmingham.

Sounds to me like they're uncomfortable with people from other races.

Your flawed anecdotal evidence doesn't really mean much when you're trying to say there are no go zones based on race when there isn't. That is simply a falsity, not an opinion that we can agree to disagree on.

[Marsh.]

"There's more mosques than churches!!!!"

So? Do you use these churches you're suddenly so concerned about?

And brown people running shops. Oh my god. AN OUTRAGE!!!

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sounds to me like they're uncomfortable with people from other races.

Your flawed anecdotal evidence doesn't really mean much when you're trying to say there are no go zones based on race when there isn't. That is simply a falsity, not an opinion that we can agree to disagree on.

How do you know there isn't? Have you lived within Birmingham?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How do you know there isn't? Have you lived within Birmingham?

As I said before, I live pretty much right next to Birmingham and I've been going there my whole life. It's a vile place but race has nothing to do with why it's a **** tip. I know of the places that Kazanne mentioned and I know for a fact that they aren't 'no go' areas because these areas don't exist.

As I said before, there's a difference between white people feeling uncomfortable around other races and there being actual areas in which white people cannot go.

This is a case of the former.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As I said before, there's a difference between white people feeling uncomfortable around other races and there being actual areas in which white people cannot go.

This is a case of the former.

Sounds like a bit more than white people being uncomfortable:

Inside Britain’s Molenbeek: Is Birmingham's Sparkbrook the beating heart of British jihad?

This is the Birmingham suburb labelled a “terror hotspot” and a “no-go zone” and is compared with Brussels’ Molenbeek - the infamous region responsible for producing the Paris gunmen and a host of Syria-bound extremists.

Just five wards in the heartland of the multicultural Midlands have yielded some of Britain’s most notorious jihadis - not least Westminster attacker Khalid Masood.

Earlier this month, The Henry Jackson Report into terror in Britain identified 26 people from Sparkbrook and the surrounding area that are currently in prison for terror related offences.

The wards in Birmingham - Springfield, Sparkbrook, Hodge Hill, Washwood Heath and Bordesley Green - produced more terrorists than anywhere else in the country bar London.

Britain's first al-Qaeda inspired terrorist, Moinal Abedin, turned his Sparkbrook home into a bomb factory in 2002, while last year Tareena Shakil was jailed for taking her toddler to join Islamic State from their home in the suburb.

Parviz Khan, who also lived in the area, was jailed for plotting to behead a soldier and Irfan Khalid was put behind bars in 2013 for leaving involved with an al-Qaeda cell plotting a bomb attack.

And Westminster attacker, Khalid Masood, left his home in nearby Edgbaston on March 21, before attacking innocent people on Westminster Bridge the following day, mowing down tourists and stabbing PC Keith Palmer to death.

Birmingham businessmen, religious leaders, councillors, parents, and community figures admit there are “issues” in their city. Leading figures such as Councillor Tony Kennedy and the manager of the anti-extremism Prevent programme, Waqar Ahmed, were keen to point out most of these were part of two jihadi gangs and not 39 separate terrorists operating independently.

But there are clear concerns in the area and a fear young men are being recruited for terror.

Express.co.uk can exclusively reveal 375 people have been referred to the anti-extremism, drug and alcohol misuse charity Kikit, in Sparkbrook, in the last 12 months alone.

Of those, 70 required intensive rehabilitation and two had already booked flights to Syria to fight alongside Islamic State.

The predominantly Muslim area is riddled with crime, drugs and poverty, but there is an uprising – a community determined to come together to deliver peace and safety.

[Maru]

I grew up in a vast majority black and brown area (a handful of white families)... but even we were like "This place is a dump!"

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Sounds like a bit more than white people being uncomfortable:

Actually, if you read the article, the only person saying that Sparkbrook is a 'no go' zone is someone that sounds very much like an uncomfortable white person

The full article is a story of an area that is prone to producing extremists and how the community comes together to try to prevent extremism from taking hold. The only times 'no go' zones get mentioned are in the opening paragraph and in a quote from an uncomfortable white person.

An area being predominantly one race does not exclude other races from the area, if that was the case then the countryside would be mostly a no go area for non white people.

You're not going to override what I'm saying with reaching examples from articles that aren't even relevant to what's being said.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"There's more mosques than churches!!!!"

So? Do you use these churches you're suddenly so concerned about?

And brown people running shops. Oh my god. AN OUTRAGE!!!

Whether people use the churches or not is not the point. It’s about tradition and identity. You may be harpy to live in an area full of mosques and a changing culture in Britain but many aren’t as is their right. Trouble is people that are try to force it on others and that is not ok.