[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No one said the muslims are taking over,God knows why that was put in capitals,but if your eyesight is good it's not hard to see how Birmingham has changed over the years, white people just do not walk around at night in certain places like Aston,Lozells,Handworth ,Sparkbrook,Try Dolobran road !!!,I know it's true so I have no more to say on this.

I like how your argument basically comes down to 'When I go to Birmingham, I see as many black and brown faces as I do white faces, it's obviously not safe for white people anymore'.

People don't walk around most of the areas you listed because of the crime, Aston and Handsworth is known for it in particular. I've walked around Lozells plenty of times without trouble.

There's a difference between an area being a 'no go zone' for white people and certain white people being uncomfortable because other races make them feel that way.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I like how your argument basically comes down to 'When I go to Birmingham, I see as many black and brown faces as I do white faces, it's obviously not safe for white people anymore'.

People don't walk around most of the areas you listed because of the crime, Aston and Handsworth is known for it in particular. I've walked around Lozells plenty of times without trouble.

There's a difference between an area being a 'no go zone' for white people and certain white people being uncomfortable because other races make them feel that way.

I have already stated I have relatives there , one lot who have decided to move away,I know what I see, so I disagree with your interpretation of Birmingham.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I have already stated I have relatives there , one lot who have decided to move away,I know what I see, so I disagree with your interpretation of Birmingham.

Sounds to me like they're uncomfortable with people from other races.

Your flawed anecdotal evidence doesn't really mean much when you're trying to say there are no go zones based on race when there isn't. That is simply a falsity, not an opinion that we can agree to disagree on.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sounds to me like they're uncomfortable with people from other races.

Your flawed anecdotal evidence doesn't really mean much when you're trying to say there are no go zones based on race when there isn't. That is simply a falsity, not an opinion that we can agree to disagree on.

How do you know there isn't? Have you lived within Birmingham?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How do you know there isn't? Have you lived within Birmingham?

As I said before, I live pretty much right next to Birmingham and I've been going there my whole life. It's a vile place but race has nothing to do with why it's a **** tip. I know of the places that Kazanne mentioned and I know for a fact that they aren't 'no go' areas because these areas don't exist.

As I said before, there's a difference between white people feeling uncomfortable around other races and there being actual areas in which white people cannot go.

This is a case of the former.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As I said before, there's a difference between white people feeling uncomfortable around other races and there being actual areas in which white people cannot go.

This is a case of the former.

Sounds like a bit more than white people being uncomfortable:

Inside Britain’s Molenbeek: Is Birmingham's Sparkbrook the beating heart of British jihad?

This is the Birmingham suburb labelled a “terror hotspot” and a “no-go zone” and is compared with Brussels’ Molenbeek - the infamous region responsible for producing the Paris gunmen and a host of Syria-bound extremists.

Just five wards in the heartland of the multicultural Midlands have yielded some of Britain’s most notorious jihadis - not least Westminster attacker Khalid Masood.

Earlier this month, The Henry Jackson Report into terror in Britain identified 26 people from Sparkbrook and the surrounding area that are currently in prison for terror related offences.

The wards in Birmingham - Springfield, Sparkbrook, Hodge Hill, Washwood Heath and Bordesley Green - produced more terrorists than anywhere else in the country bar London.

Britain's first al-Qaeda inspired terrorist, Moinal Abedin, turned his Sparkbrook home into a bomb factory in 2002, while last year Tareena Shakil was jailed for taking her toddler to join Islamic State from their home in the suburb.

Parviz Khan, who also lived in the area, was jailed for plotting to behead a soldier and Irfan Khalid was put behind bars in 2013 for leaving involved with an al-Qaeda cell plotting a bomb attack.

And Westminster attacker, Khalid Masood, left his home in nearby Edgbaston on March 21, before attacking innocent people on Westminster Bridge the following day, mowing down tourists and stabbing PC Keith Palmer to death.

Birmingham businessmen, religious leaders, councillors, parents, and community figures admit there are “issues” in their city. Leading figures such as Councillor Tony Kennedy and the manager of the anti-extremism Prevent programme, Waqar Ahmed, were keen to point out most of these were part of two jihadi gangs and not 39 separate terrorists operating independently.

But there are clear concerns in the area and a fear young men are being recruited for terror.

Express.co.uk can exclusively reveal 375 people have been referred to the anti-extremism, drug and alcohol misuse charity Kikit, in Sparkbrook, in the last 12 months alone.

Of those, 70 required intensive rehabilitation and two had already booked flights to Syria to fight alongside Islamic State.

The predominantly Muslim area is riddled with crime, drugs and poverty, but there is an uprising – a community determined to come together to deliver peace and safety.

[Maru]

I grew up in a vast majority black and brown area (a handful of white families)... but even we were like "This place is a dump!"

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Sounds like a bit more than white people being uncomfortable:

Actually, if you read the article, the only person saying that Sparkbrook is a 'no go' zone is someone that sounds very much like an uncomfortable white person

The full article is a story of an area that is prone to producing extremists and how the community comes together to try to prevent extremism from taking hold. The only times 'no go' zones get mentioned are in the opening paragraph and in a quote from an uncomfortable white person.

An area being predominantly one race does not exclude other races from the area, if that was the case then the countryside would be mostly a no go area for non white people.

You're not going to override what I'm saying with reaching examples from articles that aren't even relevant to what's being said.