[Livia]

Kellie Malonie is a trans-woman. She has no X chromosome, she is not biologically a woman. And I'm tired of men telling me she is the same as me. She is not. She's worth as much... but she is different.

I never have to have this argument with female to male transsexuals. That's because they haven't been men all their lives and still think they can dictate to born women. They can't.

If you want to be a trans female, go for it. Live your life, love who you want and be happy. But don't tell me you're the same as me, because you aren't.

Oh, and furthermore, I am not a ciswoman. I refuse to be defined and pigeonholed by people who're weeping about being pigeonholed themselves. If someone needs a new term, it's not me, because I was born a woman.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Kellie Malonie is a trans-woman. She has no X chromosome, she is not biologically a woman. And I'm tired of men telling me she is the same as me. She is not. She's worth as much... but she is different.

I never have to have this argument with female to male transsexuals. That's because they haven't been men all their lives and still think they can dictate to born women. They can't.

If you want to be a trans female, go for it. Live your life, love who you want and be happy. But don't tell me you're the same as me, because you aren't.

Oh, and furthermore, I am not a ciswoman. I refuse to be defined and pigeonholed by people who're weeping about being pigeonholed themselves. If someone needs a new term, it's not me, because I was born a woman.

How many men tell you Kellie Maloney is exactly the same as you?

Not a single one I would imagine.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How many men tell you Kellie Maloney is exactly the same as you?

Not a single one I would imagine.

Every time one of these arguments comes up I feel obliged to differentiate between a born woman and a transsexual woman with all the biological baggage that entails. We've already heard on this thread that "Kellie Malonie" is a woman. But she's a trans woman. I was born a woman, I don't need to put "cis" or anything else in front of the word woman to differentiate me from her.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Every time one of these arguments comes up I feel obliged to differentiate between a born woman and a transsexual woman with all the biological baggage that entails. We've already heard on this thread that "Kellie Malonie" is a woman. But she's a trans woman. I was born a woman, I don't need to put "cis" or anything else in front of the word woman to differentiate me from her.

So you're complaining that you want differentiation and then complaining when there's differentiation.

You just want to complain.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So you're complaining that you want differentiation and then complaining when there's differentiation.

You just want to complain.

No, that's not it at all.

I am not a cis woman. I'm a woman. I don't need anything extra added.

Trans women are the ones that need the descriptor, not me. And yet they are trying to force one on me, and claiming I am trans phobic if I object to that.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, that's not it at all.

I am not a cis woman. I'm a woman. I don't need anything extra added.

Trans women are the ones that need the descriptor, not me. And yet they are trying to force one on me, and claiming I am trans phobic if I object to that.

You've not had anything extra added. It's a descriptive word.

No different to someone describing you as a tall lady (or short idk). Nobody's asking you to add cis or tall or thin to your passport.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, that's not it at all.

I am not a cis woman. I'm a woman. I don't need anything extra added.

Trans women are the ones that need the descriptor, not me. And yet they are trying to force one on me, and claiming I am trans phobic if I object to that.

You are a woman, you can identify that way

You are literally a ciswoman too, in a literal and factual sense, but if you reject the adjective that separates you from transwomen then don’t use it.

Cismen are men born as male
Transmen are those that change in to males later in life
Men are both cismen and transmen

Its just the way these words work - you are literally a woman and a ciswoman. And there’s not much you can do about that. Kellie Maloney is literally a woman and a transwoman, and theres not much she can do about that either.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Withano

You are a woman, you can identify that way

You are literally a ciswoman too, in a literal and factual sense, but if you reject the adjective that separates you from transwomen then don’t use it.

Cismen are men born as male
Transmen are those that change in to males later in life
Men are both cismen and transmen

Its just the way these words work - you are literally a woman and a ciswoman. And there’s not much you can do about that. Kellie Maloney is literally a woman and a transwoman, and theres not much she can do about that either.

don't use it and be abused, fantastic progressive world we live in isn't it

[bots]

Originally Posted by Withano

You are a woman, you can identify that way

You are literally a ciswoman too, in a literal and factual sense, but if you reject the adjective that separates you from transwomen then don’t use it.

Cismen are men born as male
Transmen are those that change in to males later in life
Men are both cismen and transmen

Its just the way these words work - you are literally a woman and a ciswoman. And there’s not much you can do about that. Kellie Maloney is literally a woman and a transwoman, and theres not much she can do about that either.

That is factually incorrect. Applying the same level of respect a trans person wishes to be labelled a particular way, the opposite is also true. It is up to people to respect the wishes of who they are addressing. If a woman doesn't wish to be labelled cis, then that term should not be used when interacting with her.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

You are a woman, you can identify that way

You are literally a ciswoman too, in a literal and factual sense, but if you reject the adjective that separates you from transwomen then don’t use it.

Cismen are men born as male
Transmen are those that change in to males later in life
Men are both cismen and transmen

Its just the way these words work - you are literally a woman and a ciswoman. And there’s not much you can do about that. Kellie Maloney is literally a woman and a transwoman, and theres not much she can do about that either.

It's not a fact... it's a nonsense word, like PC.
I am a woman, that is factually and literally what I am, because someone invented a term a few months ago that does NOT redefine me!