[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So you're complaining that you want differentiation and then complaining when there's differentiation.

You just want to complain.

No, that's not it at all.

I am not a cis woman. I'm a woman. I don't need anything extra added.

Trans women are the ones that need the descriptor, not me. And yet they are trying to force one on me, and claiming I am trans phobic if I object to that.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, that's not it at all.

I am not a cis woman. I'm a woman. I don't need anything extra added.

Trans women are the ones that need the descriptor, not me. And yet they are trying to force one on me, and claiming I am trans phobic if I object to that.

You've not had anything extra added. It's a descriptive word.

No different to someone describing you as a tall lady (or short idk). Nobody's asking you to add cis or tall or thin to your passport.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, that's not it at all.

I am not a cis woman. I'm a woman. I don't need anything extra added.

Trans women are the ones that need the descriptor, not me. And yet they are trying to force one on me, and claiming I am trans phobic if I object to that.

You are a woman, you can identify that way

You are literally a ciswoman too, in a literal and factual sense, but if you reject the adjective that separates you from transwomen then don’t use it.

Cismen are men born as male
Transmen are those that change in to males later in life
Men are both cismen and transmen

Its just the way these words work - you are literally a woman and a ciswoman. And there’s not much you can do about that. Kellie Maloney is literally a woman and a transwoman, and theres not much she can do about that either.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

You are a woman, you can identify that way

You are literally a ciswoman too, in a literal and factual sense, but if you reject the adjective that separates you from transwomen then don’t use it.

Cismen are men born as male
Transmen are those that change in to males later in life
Men are both cismen and transmen

Its just the way these words work - you are literally a woman and a ciswoman. And there’s not much you can do about that. Kellie Maloney is literally a woman and a transwoman, and theres not much she can do about that either.

don't use it and be abused, fantastic progressive world we live in isn't it

[bots]

Originally Posted by Withano

You are a woman, you can identify that way

You are literally a ciswoman too, in a literal and factual sense, but if you reject the adjective that separates you from transwomen then don’t use it.

Cismen are men born as male
Transmen are those that change in to males later in life
Men are both cismen and transmen

Its just the way these words work - you are literally a woman and a ciswoman. And there’s not much you can do about that. Kellie Maloney is literally a woman and a transwoman, and theres not much she can do about that either.

That is factually incorrect. Applying the same level of respect a trans person wishes to be labelled a particular way, the opposite is also true. It is up to people to respect the wishes of who they are addressing. If a woman doesn't wish to be labelled cis, then that term should not be used when interacting with her.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

That is factually incorrect. Applying the same level of respect a trans person wishes to be labelled a particular way, the opposite is also true. It is up to people to respect the wishes of who they are addressing. If a woman doesn't wish to be labelled cis, then that term should not be used when interacting with her.

I agree.. and if a transwoman doesnt want to be labelled trans and also just want to be referred to as a ‘woman’ that should be respected too.

Both are examples of people ignoring facts, but its up to them, it doesnt explain which kind of woman they are, but maybe some people don’t care and thats up to them, sure.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

You are a woman, you can identify that way

You are literally a ciswoman too, in a literal and factual sense, but if you reject the adjective that separates you from transwomen then don’t use it.

Cismen are men born as male
Transmen are those that change in to males later in life
Men are both cismen and transmen

Its just the way these words work - you are literally a woman and a ciswoman. And there’s not much you can do about that. Kellie Maloney is literally a woman and a transwoman, and theres not much she can do about that either.

It's not a fact... it's a nonsense word, like PC.
I am a woman, that is factually and literally what I am, because someone invented a term a few months ago that does NOT redefine me!