[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really.

That was about gender, this is about sex.
There is a difference between the two.

I think it's this new meaning of the word gender that annoys me most, because it seems to undo alot of the work women have fought for, trying to get themselves out of that stereotypical gender based box by now saying that these boxes are what actually makes us men or women, do you get what I mean? Like as a child, and now as well, but as a young girl growing up with 3 brothers, I fought tooth and nail to not be labelled like that or told what I can or cannot do based on what my interests were or what clothes I chose to wear. I don't know how to explain this without people calling me a bigot or a bad mother or whatever. I don't want to grow up in a world where my daughter thinks unless she becomes a nurse and likes make up she must have a mans brain and it seems like after all the work women have done to try and break down these barriers now we're told no actually get back in your boxes otherwise you're a bigot

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think it's this new meaning of the word gender that annoys me most, because it seems to undo alot of the work women have fought for, trying to get themselves out of that stereotypical gender based box by now saying that these boxes are what actually makes us men or women, do you get what I mean? Like as a child, and now as well, but as a young girl growing up with 3 brothers, I fought tooth and nail to not be labelled like that or told what I can or cannot do based on what my interests were or what clothes I chose to wear. I don't know how to explain this without people calling me a bigot or a bad mother or whatever. I don't want to grow up in a world where my daughter thinks unless she becomes a nurse and likes make up she must have a mans brain and it seems like after all the work women have done to try and break down these barriers now we're told no actually get back in your boxes otherwise you're a bigot

I don't think it's like that?

Do you mean the genders going back to being stereotypes?

I actually see it as the opposite. Gender becoming more fluid actually breaks down many of the silly "differences" between the two.

However there will always be fundamental differences between genders otherwise there'd be no point between having them both.

Different, however still remaining equal and worth the same.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't think it's like that?

Do you mean the genders going back to being stereotypes?

I actually see it as the opposite. Gender becoming more fluid actually breaks down many of the silly "differences" between the two.

However there will always be fundamental differences between genders otherwise there'd be no point between having them both.

Different, however still remaining equal and worth the same.

I don't know maybe I'm totally misunderstanding the meaning of gender then but the way I understood it, it seems to come down to which sex based stereotypes you follow? Can you explain it to me then?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know maybe I'm totally misunderstanding the meaning of gender then but the way I understood it, it seems to come down to which sex based stereotypes you follow? Can you explain it to me then?

Well I might have the wrong end of the stick myself but it's how a person likes to present themselves or be seen.

So a biological male who wants to be a woman but doesn't actually transition. So remains a biological male but prefers the female gender pronouns because that's how they self identify?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't think it's like that?

Do you mean the genders going back to being stereotypes?

I actually see it as the opposite. Gender becoming more fluid actually breaks down many of the silly "differences" between the two.

However there will always be fundamental differences between genders otherwise there'd be no point between having them both.

Different, however still remaining equal and worth the same.

A line I've been saying for months, Marshy.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

A line I've been saying for months, Marshy.

I don't recall saying you haven't.

But I'm a man, so what I say matters even less than a transwoman.

That line you bolded was referring to the genders being equal, not trans and biological.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't recall saying you haven't.

But I'm a man, so what I say matters even less than a transwoman.

That line you bolded was referring to the genders being equal, not trans and biological.

Cis-man

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Cis-man