[Withano]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

More idiotic 'bullshot with bells on'.

Alison Moyet is a 100% anatomical and physiological woman and has been since birth, **** knows just WHAT 'Kellie' Maloney (NOT Malonie) is now by a 'definition' which conforms to the correct one of a thousand B.S. 'labels' which daft idiots keep inventing for no reason, but 'she' used to be boxing promoter Frank Maloney and he was NEVER a 100% anatomical and physiological woman.

This being a FACT, your statement that; "she is a woman, but so is Kellie Malonie" is pure 'horlicks'.

Incidentally, I find the term 'cis' woman very offensive because it has connotations of disease and if I were to hear anyone so describing my wife or daughter in such a way they would be booking an urgent appointment with their dentist.

Right. But that means she is a cis woman. That is the factual and accurate way to describe a woman like this.

If she rejects the term cis, then thats up to her in the same way that a transwoman may reject the term trans.. it doesnt stop it being factually accurate, but i guess its up to each person.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, that's not it at all.

I am not a cis woman. I'm a woman. I don't need anything extra added.

Trans women are the ones that need the descriptor, not me. And yet they are trying to force one on me, and claiming I am trans phobic if I object to that.

You are a woman, you can identify that way

You are literally a ciswoman too, in a literal and factual sense, but if you reject the adjective that separates you from transwomen then don’t use it.

Cismen are men born as male
Transmen are those that change in to males later in life
Men are both cismen and transmen

Its just the way these words work - you are literally a woman and a ciswoman. And there’s not much you can do about that. Kellie Maloney is literally a woman and a transwoman, and theres not much she can do about that either.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just dont think this cis thing is going to catch on outside tibb tbh

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What a load of old bollox,litterally

bolloxio

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

You are a woman, you can identify that way

You are literally a ciswoman too, in a literal and factual sense, but if you reject the adjective that separates you from transwomen then don’t use it.

Cismen are men born as male
Transmen are those that change in to males later in life
Men are both cismen and transmen

Its just the way these words work - you are literally a woman and a ciswoman. And there’s not much you can do about that. Kellie Maloney is literally a woman and a transwoman, and theres not much she can do about that either.

don't use it and be abused, fantastic progressive world we live in isn't it

[bots]

Originally Posted by Withano

You are a woman, you can identify that way

You are literally a ciswoman too, in a literal and factual sense, but if you reject the adjective that separates you from transwomen then don’t use it.

Cismen are men born as male
Transmen are those that change in to males later in life
Men are both cismen and transmen

Its just the way these words work - you are literally a woman and a ciswoman. And there’s not much you can do about that. Kellie Maloney is literally a woman and a transwoman, and theres not much she can do about that either.

That is factually incorrect. Applying the same level of respect a trans person wishes to be labelled a particular way, the opposite is also true. It is up to people to respect the wishes of who they are addressing. If a woman doesn't wish to be labelled cis, then that term should not be used when interacting with her.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

That is factually incorrect. Applying the same level of respect a trans person wishes to be labelled a particular way, the opposite is also true. It is up to people to respect the wishes of who they are addressing. If a woman doesn't wish to be labelled cis, then that term should not be used when interacting with her.

I agree.. and if a transwoman doesnt want to be labelled trans and also just want to be referred to as a ‘woman’ that should be respected too.

Both are examples of people ignoring facts, but its up to them, it doesnt explain which kind of woman they are, but maybe some people don’t care and thats up to them, sure.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Back to this specific incident itself with Moyet.

It seems she wasn't having any words or titles or pronouns forced onto her.

She came out and commented on the word cis for no reason at all.

No reason... Is being affected as a woman not reason enough?

I agree with her I won't be having any prefixes forced on me either.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Tea break at the knitting club?

isn't it strange you suggesting people be respectful....while being so disrespectful :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

You are a woman, you can identify that way

You are literally a ciswoman too, in a literal and factual sense, but if you reject the adjective that separates you from transwomen then don’t use it.

Cismen are men born as male
Transmen are those that change in to males later in life
Men are both cismen and transmen

Its just the way these words work - you are literally a woman and a ciswoman. And there’s not much you can do about that. Kellie Maloney is literally a woman and a transwoman, and theres not much she can do about that either.

It's not a fact... it's a nonsense word, like PC.
I am a woman, that is factually and literally what I am, because someone invented a term a few months ago that does NOT redefine me!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not a fact... it's a nonsense word, like PC.
I am a woman, that is factually and literally what I am, because someone invented a term a few months ago that does NOT redefine me!

Originally Posted by Withano

She is a woman, but so is Kellie Malonie. She is a ciswoman, unlike Kellie Malonie. If she rejects the adjective cis then fine, but its not incredibly descriptive of what kind of woman she is. But thats on her I guess.

I’m aware you’re a woman, I’d be annoyed if anybody told you that you wasn’t, that hasn’t happened.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No reason... Is being affected as a woman not reason enough?

The word "cis" is affecting her as a woman?

Does she hit the roof when she's described as a singer or, god forbid, brunette woman?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

isn't it strange you suggesting people be respectful....while being so disrespectful :/

Well, I had an on topic post responded to with a glib comment so gave one back.

So, all things considered I don't care to be respectful to disrespectful people. Respect is earned.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

I’m aware you’re a woman, I’d be annoyed if anybody told you that you wasn’t, that hasn’t happened.

why can the 'cis' not be applied to people who are not born women instead of are?...


If it's just a descriptor then it shouldn't be an issue should it?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

why can the 'cis' not be applied to people who are not born women instead of are?...

Because they are "trans"...

Again, the word "cis" isn't referring to women, or taking the word women away from women. It simply means you were born the sex and gender you are. There are cis men too, not just cis women.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

why can the 'cis' not be applied to people who are not born women instead of are?...


If it's just a descriptor then it shouldn't be an issue should it?

Because cis literally means ‘the same side of’
And trans literally means ‘the opposite side of’

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Because cis literally means ‘the same side of’
And trans literally means ‘the opposite side of’

No it doesn't, trans is just short for the word transition.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Because cis literally means ‘the same side of’
And trans literally means ‘the opposite side of’

But what does it matter? In what universe do you introduce people as kelly who was born a man lizzy who was born a woman?
That is essentially what this does.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

But what does it matter? In what universe do you introduce people as kelly who was born a man lizzy who was born a woman?
That is essentially what this does.

But nobody's suggesting we use these words to introduce ourselves.

It's no different to me pointing across the room to say "That's Kizzy, the tall brunette lady!". You are a woman, in a relevant conversation about sex and sexuality you would be a "cis woman", just as you would be a "straight woman".

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

No it doesn't, trans is just short for the word transition.

The prefix ‘trans’ means to cross, go over, or the opposite side of.
The prefix ‘cis’ means the same side of

I feel like now we’re just being angry that language exists.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

But what does it matter? In what universe do you introduce people as kelly who was born a man lizzy who was born a woman?
That is essentially what this does.

Nobody does this lol.

It is a descriptor that can quickly explain that you are a woman that was born a woman should you ever have need for that.

I’ve never had to describe myself as a cismale, but I’m aware that I am one.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

Nobody does this lol.

It is a descriptor that can quickly explain that you are a woman that was born a woman should you ever have need for that.

I’ve never had to describe myself as a cismale, but I’m aware that I am one.

There's no need for an additional descriptor for biological women, because transwomen have the thing that separates them in their name.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's no need for an additional descriptor for biological women, because transwomen have the thing that separates them in their name.

And "gay" or "homosexual" have the separation in their name.

No need for "straight" or "heterosexual" right?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's no need for an additional descriptor for biological women, because transwomen have the thing that separates them in their name.

There is though because the word ‘woman’ and the word ‘man’ refers to both cis’ and trans people.

Ie Luke A and Luke S are both men, if you needed to talk about their differences youd make a mess of it referring to Luke S as a man, as Luke A is too

However Luke S is a cisman, and Luke A is not

(I realised after writing this that Luke S probably made for an overly-confusing example)

Luke S is a man and a cisman
Luke A is a man and a transman

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And "gay" or "homosexual" have the separation in their name.

No need for "straight" or "heterosexual" right?

Sexualities are: straight, homosexual, bisexual.
Genders are: man, woman, transwoman, transman.