[Ammi]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Sounds like pushy parents forcing thier views upon thier children.

...it’s not forcing, Parmy...it’s presenting a view..(..with a protest, if protesting is something a parent believes in at times..)...some views will be rejected by children as they journey into adulthood and some will be agreed with, etc..it’s the same with everything within many families...children are quite smart people, they have their own individuality as well, which can’t be dismissed... and they’re quite capable of forming their own views...the presentation of different views can be helpful in that forming...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by lime

Having an open discussion with your own children about politics.....and our views vary on many topics..is not indoctriaton ..It's just a healthy conversation


You say young children don't understand politics...Well when can they ever understand something that their parent's don't discuss with them?

Do you not think that parents usually hope their children will share their political views and maybe taking them to such events is a ‘sub-concious’ attempt to influence them in the ‘right’ direction.? It could certainly be construed that way.

As far as discussion goes I think a lot depends on how biased that discussion is. I think it would be quite difficult to keep your own political bias out of it and people would be including it without even necessarily realizing it.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's a bit of a difference between Suffrage or anti-Apartheid, and the (current) leader of one of our best ally nations who said dumb things.

..it doesn’t make any difference though, Oliver...it’s still not shielding a child from the world they live in...that would be more damaging to a child, I feel, to do that...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s not forcing, Parmy...it’s presenting a view..(..with a protest, if protesting is something a parent believes in at times..)...some views will be rejected by children as they journey into adulthood and some will be agreed with, etc..it’s the same with everything within many families...children are quite smart people, they have their own individuality as well, which can’t be dismissed... and they’re quite capable of forming their own views...the presentation of different views can be helpful in that forming...

They should have taken them to both sides of the rallies then imo...rather than forcing only one view point upon them..dont you think?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They should have taken them to both sides of the rallies then imo...rather than forcing only one view point upon them..dont you think?

I don't think you'll find that they're aware that there is another side to the argument, Parm. And if they are aware, they imagine the other side doesn't count because it is different from theirs.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They should have taken them to both sides of the rallies then imo...rather than forcing only one view point upon them..dont you think?

....not necessarily...whatever the belief of a parent they often don’t show ‘both sides’...like oh there are those who believe in smacking..(..for instance..)...so there’s a smack, what did you think of that then...how did that make you feel...now well try sending you to your room and removing some toys or whatever...so which did you prefer, then...which one do you think you would adopt...what a parent tends to do is discuss their own beliefs and why they have those beliefs etc, etc...they present those beliefs as it were and they present their actions..(..as in a protest being something they would like to be a part of...)...it’s just a presentation of one belief system to a child is all...as that child goes through childhood, other beliefs will be presented also by teachers and peers etc...or an aunt who thinks quite differently to a parent..?...so there are all type of balances and pondering sin a child’s life...let’s not have these poor parents running ragged trying to present everything in every which way...parenting is exhausting enough.....

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lime

What was the negative?


If it was a march against Apartheid or a suffforgeets march I doubt some who complain about kids being there would have a problem be it pushchair or walking

Well there would be the noise for one , the confusion , the child wouldn't know what was happening and could be fearful , also if trouble had broken out that child could have been in danger that would be enough to leave the child at home for me.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well there would be the noise for one , the confusion , the child wouldn't know what was happening and could be fearful , also if trouble had broken out that child could have been in danger that would be enough to leave the child at home for me.

..that’s fine also, Kaz...you factor all of those things into your decision and you think....no, that’s not a good idea for me as a parent and for my child..there is no right or wrong of it...it’s just every parent’s individual choice...

[arista]

from LBC
the Greenpeace Protester who flew
over Trump at the Scottish Golf Course Rooms
has now been arrested

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

from LBC
the Greenpeace Protester who flew
over Trump at the Scottish Golf Course Rooms
has now been arrested

He was lucky he wasn't shot. It was a clear no fly zone and he was heading toward the leader of the free world. They would have been well within their rights to take him out. The ****ing idiot.

[bots]

Demonstrations are no place for children as was proven recently at the Israel border. Maybe the risk wasn't as great in London, but it is still nevertheless unnecessary risk

[Beso]

I get what you are saying ammi....but.

I wonder what would happen if these kids started supporting trump...would the parents take them to a pro trump rally?

I doubt it very much myself..x

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well there would be the noise for one , the confusion , the child wouldn't know what was happening and could be fearful , also if trouble had broken out that child could have been in danger that would be enough to leave the child at home for me.

I would imagine Kaz that god forbid a child was injured - there could be questions from health and social care professionals etc on why young children were even there. I could be wrong but I could see there being issues regarding that in that scenario.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I get what you are saying ammi....but.

I wonder what would happen if these kids started supporting trump...would the parents take them to a pro trump rally?

I doubt it very much myself..x

...maybe not take their child to the rally, Parmy...if they had not intended to go anyway...because that would be specifically going somewhere for the child rather than including a child in something they intended to be a part of...(...we are all human, Parmy and can’t balance everything in life....)..but many parents would discuss their child’s support of someone in politics with them...what they liked about him, why they supported him etc...what values of his did they particularly think were good...they would ask..again...and listen...many parents wouldn’t just say...go to your room, I don’t want to discuss your support of Trump, just hush up or you’ll lose your priveledges...many and hopefully most parents don’t close their children down, wherever their support lies ....

[Nicky91]

tbh children in general shouldn't need to worry about politics at such young ages at all, let them have fun in their childhoods, and when they become 16 they can be involved into politics their opinions to be heard then

[arista]

A Conservative poll is down 6%


Sign Of The Times

[Nicky91]

Trump did that

[lime]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's a bit of a difference between Suffrage or anti-Apartheid, and the (current) leader of one of our best ally nations who said dumb things.

But Oliver I'm not comparing like for like about policies...I'm talking about discussing politics with your children and going o protest marches together

[lime]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Demonstrations are no place for children as was proven recently at the Israel border. Maybe the risk wasn't as great in London, but it is still nevertheless unnecessary risk

Jeez that's quite worrying post...Don't protest because you might be murdered


Not a message I will be sending to my children

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by lime

Jeez that's quite worrying post...Don't protest because you might be murdered


Not a message I will be sending to my children

Oh come on Lime - you seem to be suggesting that it has been suggested that the police/authorities may harm protestors. That would be ridiculous in Britain unless someone was posing a serious threat o others.

The risk could come from some more aggressive protestors or others that crash the party to cause trouble though. Fact is that happens at protests - and something as emotive as Trump coming to Britain increased that risk.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...maybe not take their child to the rally, Parmy...if they had not intended to go anyway...because that would be specifically going somewhere for the child rather than including a child in something they intended to be a part of...(...we are all human, Parmy and can’t balance everything in life....)..but many parents would discuss their child’s support of someone in politics with them...what they liked about him, why they supported him etc...what values of his did they particularly think were good...they would ask..again...and listen...many parents wouldn’t just say...go to your room, I don’t want to discuss your support of Trump, just hush up or you’ll lose your priveledges...many and hopefully most parents don’t close their children down, wherever their support lies ....

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Oh come on Lime - you seem to be suggesting that it has been suggested that the police/authorities may harm protestors. That would be ridiculous in Britain unless someone was posing a serious threat o others.

The risk could come from some more aggressive protestors or others that crash the party to cause trouble though. Fact is that happens at protests - and something as emotive as Trump coming to Britain increased that risk.

Which is exactly what happened yesterday at the tommy this tommy that rallies.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Trump did that

[Withano]

Children are very vocal about Trump tbf. Maybe thats learned behaviour, or just having to sit through the news at tea time and hearing about all the stupid **** he’s doing.

Either way, there was a giant trump-baby balloon floating about. Of course a child would love that.

Nobody is ever gonna get to twenty and be like “oh I saw a Trump balloon in the sky as a child, so now Im a lefty”. The hysteria over this is.. hysterical..

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

Children are very vocal about Trump tbf. Maybe thats learned behaviour, or just having to sit through the news at tea time and hearing about all the stupid **** he’s doing.

Either way, there was a giant trump-baby balloon floating about. Of course a child would love that.

Nobody is ever gonna get to twenty and be like “oh I saw a Trump balloon in the sky as a child, so now Im a lefty”. The hysteria over this is.. hysterical..

Yes many kids
are there with their Parents
who are directing them.

One kid had to look at the parent
before speaking etc.