[Dash Darington]

No sympathy. She wanted to get in the guy's face and even continued to advance on him after she got hit the first time.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

No sympathy. She wanted to get in the guy's face and even continued to advance on him after she got hit the first time.

But his mother took him
to the police station

Men on doors
do not punch women like that.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

No sympathy. She wanted to get in the guy's face and even continued to advance on him after she got hit the first time.

Physical assault is never okay

[Dash Darington]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Physical assault is never okay

Precisely. Getting in someone's face like that is an act of assault. You don't have to make contact for it to be assault. Finally someone agrees with me. The woman should not have assaulted the man. Physical assault is never okay.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

Precisely. Getting in someone's face like that is an act of assault. You don't have to make contact for it to be assault. Finally someone agrees with me. The woman should not have assaulted the man. Physical assault is never okay.

So everytime a woman gets in your face you beat her up until she is out cold?

[Dash Darington]

Originally Posted by Adam.

So you believe in women getting sexual harassed and rape d as long as nobody see's it?

Originally Posted by Adam.

So everytime a woman gets in your face you beat her up until she is out cold?

If you can't think of a response that doesn't require you to deliberately misrepresent the opposing position, you are defeated.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

If you can't think of a response that doesn't require you to deliberately misrepresent the opposing position, you are defeated.

All i see you saying is that the women deserve to be knocked out cold.

Do you know she could have died from one of those punches? do you still see it as acceptable

[Dash Darington]

Originally Posted by Adam.

All i see you saying is that the women deserve to be knocked out cold.

As previously stated, if you can't think of a response that doesn't require you to deliberately misrepresent the opposing position, you are defeated. You haven't seen me use the word "deserve."

Do you know she could have died from one of those punches? do you still see it as acceptable

I don't see any of this as acceptable. I appear to be the only person in the thread who would caution young women against engaging in this dangerous behaviour. If someone insists in putting themselves in harm's way they'll get no sympathy from me. If I had been there I would not have intervened.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

Precisely. Getting in someone's face like that is an act of assault. You don't have to make contact for it to be assault. Finally someone agrees with me. The woman should not have assaulted the man. Physical assault is never okay.

Physical ...and verbals ....two different things entirely

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

No sympathy. She wanted to get in the guy's face and even continued to advance on him after she got hit the first time.

She was actually protecting girls he had been harassing

[Dash Darington]

Originally Posted by Adam.

She was actually protecting girls he had been harassing

Bull****. He wasn't within 10 feet of any girl when the aggressor got in his face. A man can't get in another man's face like that. Why should a woman expect to get away with it? Obviously it's not nice to see girls getting hit by guys, but the source of the problem is gross women thinking they have a license to get physically aggressive with men.

No sympathy. If you don't want to get punched, stop acting like you want to fight a man.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

Bull****. He wasn't within 10 feet of any girl when the aggressor got in his face. A man can't get in another man's face like that. Why should a woman expect to get away with it? Obviously it's not nice to see girls getting hit by guys, but the source of the problem is gross women thinking they have a license to get physically aggressive with men.

No sympathy. If you don't want to get punched, stop acting like you want to fight a man.

So you believe in women getting sexual harassed and rape d as long as nobody see's it?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

Bull****. He wasn't within 10 feet of any girl when the aggressor got in his face. A man can't get in another man's face like that. Why should a woman expect to get away with it? Obviously it's not nice to see girls getting hit by guys, but the source of the problem is gross women thinking they have a license to get physically aggressive with men.

No sympathy. If you don't want to get punched, stop acting like you want to fight a man.

....obviously it’s not nice to see a guy have a girl get in his face like that...but the source of the problem is gross men thinking they have a licence to get physically aggressive with a woman if they do that ...no sympathy, if you don’t want to get charged with grievous bodily harm, stop acting in such a way...(...and be thankful the charge wasn’t something more serious if her head had hit the ground in a way that the charge could have been much more serious..)...

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

No sympathy. She wanted to get in the guy's face and even continued to advance on him after she got hit the first time.

No sympathy - whats wrong with you ?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

No sympathy - whats wrong with you ?

He should be allowed harass women in peace

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He should be allowed harass women in peace

O-U-C-H!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

No sympathy. She wanted to get in the guy's face and even continued to advance on him after she got hit the first time.

Knocking somebody unconscious is not an appropriate response to someone screaming in your face.

[Dash Darington]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Knocking somebody unconscious is not an appropriate response to someone screaming in your face.

It's overkill, but hardly an unforseeable response. If I got in a bigger man's face like that I'd definitely see that as a possible outcome. She wanted trouble, and she got it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

It's overkill, but hardly an unforseeable response. If I got in a bigger man's face like that I'd definitely see that as a possible outcome. She wanted trouble, and she got it.

The clue is in your description of him as "the bigger man". She pose no danger to him screaming her head off like a banshee.

His response was completely out of proportion.

[Dash Darington]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The clue is in your description of him as "the bigger man". She pose no danger to him screaming her head off like a banshee.

His response was completely out of proportion.

She posed little physical danger to him, but she doesn't have the right to get in his face like that. The whole point of getting that close to him is the implied threat of physical violence.

His response absolutely was out of proportion. So was hers. She didn't like something he said, so she got in his face yelling and pointing her finger in his face. She wanted to get physically aggressive, ironically depending on the man's restraint and compassion to ensure her safety, while she sought to abuse him. What a monumentally stupid thing to do.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

She posed little physical danger to him, but she doesn't have the right to get in his face like that. The whole point of getting that close to him is the implied threat of physical violence.

His response absolutely was out of proportion. So was hers. She didn't like something he said, so she got in his face yelling and pointing her finger in his face. She wanted to get physically aggressive, ironically depending on the man's restraint and compassion to ensure her safety, while she sought to abuse him. What a monumentally stupid thing to do.

She posed no actual threat.

Hence the fact he was the one who knocked her out cold.

There is no excuse for his actions.

[Dash Darington]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

She posed no actual threat.

Hence the fact he was the one who knocked her out cold.

There is no excuse for his actions.

She posed a physical threat, in addition to the lesser harm of harassing him, which she did actually inflict.

There is no excuse for her actions.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

His response absolutely was out of proportion. So was hers. She didn't like something he said, so she got in his face yelling and pointing her finger in his face. She wanted to get physically aggressive, ironically depending on the man's restraint and compassion to ensure her safety, while she sought to abuse him. What a monumentally stupid thing to do.

At the risk of popping my head over the parapet... I don't actually disagree with that.

I would absolutely never advocate or justify anyone punching anyone else unless it's in direct response to being hit first, but on the other hand, the claim that there was zero provocation is simply false and there IS a worrying culture of people being verbally aggressive and making aggressive gestures on the assumption that they "cannot" be hurt "because that's not allowed". His action were thuggish, dangerous, and massively out of proportion and he doesn't deserve vindication but... Trying to insist that she was doing "nothing wrong" is irresponsible and dangerous. Pointing, screaming and getting in someone's face isn't an appropriate response to any situation, either. It's also (as we can see) risky behaviour that shouldn't be encouraged, for obvious reasons... Because there are people like this guy, who will snap and hurt you. It's all very well pointing out that he "shouldn't"... Of course he shouldn't... But acting as if the world IS as it SHOULD BE on principle and expecting that alone to keep you safe is not practical.

I have to also note that Dash hasn't once said that the guy's actions were right, nor made excuses that justify what he did, and has in fact repeatedly stated in one way or another that the guy crossed the line... And yet is being repeatedly accused of "saying what he did was OK" / "justifying violence" / "making excuses" and sorry guys but that is misrepresentation and strawman.

Really no different to when I'm constantly accused of "making excuses" for criminals / murderers by stating that they have psychological disorders and that those disorders are interesting and we should work to understand them.

You know. When people come in like "Understand?? What do you MEAN understand! They are evil monsters nothing to understand. Why are u saying we should just let them out and feed them lollipops and children herp de derp why u making excuses!?"


So yeah. I don't think it's wrong to try to understand this situation as a whole series of events and make criticisms of other aspects. Saying that she wasnt behaving well by pointing and shouting is NOT justifying him punching her in the face, which was horrendous.

But people are constantly making the error that "explanation" = "excuse", and failing to look at situations objectively because they're blinded by incredulity.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

At the risk of popping my head over the parapet... I don't actually disagree with that.

I would absolutely never advocate or justify anyone punching anyone else unless it's in direct response to being hit first, but on the other hand, the claim that there was zero provocation is simply false and there IS a worrying culture of people being verbally aggressive and making aggressive gestures on the assumption that they "cannot" be hurt "because that's not allowed". His action were thuggish, dangerous, and massively out of proportion and he doesn't deserve vindication but... Trying to insist that she was doing "nothing wrong" is irresponsible and dangerous. Pointing, screaming and getting in someone's face isn't an appropriate response to any situation, either. It's also (as we can see) risky behaviour that shouldn't be encouraged, for obvious reasons... Because there are people like this guy, who will snap and hurt you. It's all very well pointing out that he "shouldn't"... Of course he shouldn't... But acting as if the world IS as it SHOULD BE on principle and expecting that alone to keep you safe is not practical.

I have to also note that Dash hasn't once said that the guy's actions were right, nor made excuses that justify what he did, and has in fact repeatedly stated in one way or another that the guy crossed the line... And yet is being repeatedly accused of "saying what he did was OK" / "justifying violence" / "making excuses" and sorry guys but that is misrepresentation and strawman.

Really no different to when I'm constantly accused of "making excuses" for criminals / murderers by stating that they have psychological disorders and that those disorders are interesting and we should work to understand them.

You know. When people come in like "Understand?? What do you MEAN understand! They are evil monsters nothing to understand. Why are u saying we should just let them out and feed them lollipops and children herp de derp why u making excuses!?"


So yeah. I don't think it's wrong to try to understand this situation as a whole series of events and make criticisms of other aspects. Saying that she wasnt behaving well by pointing and shouting is NOT justifying him punching her in the face, which was horrendous.

But people are constantly making the error that "explanation" = "excuse", and failing to look at situations objectively because they're blinded by incredulity.

To a certain extent I agree. I don't believe in women hiding behind the "I'm a woman" line when it comes to situations like this. I believe if a woman is going to strike a man, she better be prepared to get one back.

This guy did completely overstep the mark as she had not laid a hand on him so his reaction was not justified. I have seen some girls on nights out laying into men with punches and kicks and when retaliated against cry foul because "you can't hit women" but feel completely justified in punching and kicking men.

This situation shows how alcohol and confrontation do not mix. The guy in question is without doubt a douche bag and deserves an assault charge, he is lucky that is all he is facing - with a knock out like that it could have been easily much much worse.