[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

No it doesn't warrant it, but it makes me have less sympathy.

So words make rape less bad, got it

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So words make rape less bad, got it

i get your point, rape is never good, suicide is never good either


so yeah i find it sad for her that she saw ending her life as the only way out of this

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So words make rape less bad, got it

Not to play devils advocate.. but you’d surely find the story more sad if the victim was a woman that always showed upmost respect for muslims and was seen by their country as a lovely person

I mean... maybe it shouldnt have been said, but it is unfortunately true.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Not to play devils advocate.. but you’d surely find the story more sad if the victim was a woman that always showed upmost respect for muslims and was seen by their country as a lovely person

I mean... maybe it shouldnt have been said, but it is unfortunately true.

Not really Withano no, she said - emphasis on "said" some racist things that doesn't lessen my sympathy for her being kidnapped and raped no, not even a bit.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not really Withano no, she said - emphasis on "said" some racist things that doesn't lessen my sympathy for her being kidnapped and raped no, not even a bit.

you don't wish bad things on anyone, not even when those say some racist things

true, maybe i just had my own judgemental thoughts based on the bad things she had said, that never really happens to me i know but now i had allowed this getting the best of me


anyway on topic, i just hope we get a good investigation and justice is served to those responsible

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not really Withano no, she said - emphasis on "said" some racist things that doesn't lessen my sympathy for her being kidnapped and raped no, not even a bit.

fair enough... i just think most people would have a scale of sympathy? Like more people would have more sympathy if this happened to my elderly neighbour than if this happened to Jon Venables... and i would too? I know this woman cant be compared to either, but the scale does unfortunately exist (for me and probably others).

I mean it still doesnt need to be said, it isnt at all helpful, i just agree with josh because i see where hes coming from with his statements, i dont think theyre untrue.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

fair enough... i just think most people would have a scale of sympathy? Like more people would have more sympathy if this happened to my elderly neighbour than if this happened to Jon Venables... and i would too? I know this woman cant be compared to either, but the scale does unfortunately exist (for me and probably others).

I mean it still doesnt need to be said, it isnt at all helpful, i just agree with josh because i see where hes coming from with his statements, i dont think theyre untrue.

Jon Venables is an abuser himself though and has sexually and physically hurt people

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jon Venables is an abuser himself though and has sexually and physically hurt people

I’m aware, and people would have far more sympathy for this dutch politician woman than they would Jon... there is the other end of the spectrum though full of loving and caring innocent humans which Josh pointed out.

I guess Im just explaining why I dont think hes incorrect, i dont actually feel that strongly on this particular debate. Its nowhere near the main issue.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Withano

I’m aware, and people would have far more sympathy for this dutch politician woman than they would Jon... there is the other end of the spectrum though full of loving and caring innocent humans which Josh pointed out.

I guess Im just explaining why I dont think hes incorrect, i dont actually feel that strongly on this particular debate. Its nowhere near the main issue.

Willie also did some good things honestly, apart from the negative things already mentioned


she did do a lot for handicapped people, standing up for them in political debates wether or not severe handicapped people should work

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not really Withano no, she said - emphasis on "said" some racist things that doesn't lessen my sympathy for her being kidnapped and raped no, not even a bit.

I agree she is (was) free to think and say what she wants in that country I think , whether or not other people like it or not, it does not make what happened to her any more easier to stomach , plus ,would it enable what she said invalid to her family, friends etc,? I don't think so ,they probably have that hate even more now. the rapists have probably reinforced some peoples feelings of them.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agree she is (was) free to think and say what she wants in that country I think , whether or not other people like it or not, it does not make what happened to her any more easier to stomach , plus ,would it enable what she said invalid to her family, friends etc,? I don't think so ,they probably have that hate even more now. the rapists have probably reinforced some peoples feelings of them.

Well yes *if* this is true (and I again I want to reiterate that I don't necessarily believe it is based on the limited information we have) It's extremely disgusting and worrying, having gangs of men going around punishing women by raping them for saying stuff they don't like. This is why I found the comments about not having sympathy for her pretty tasteless

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well yes *if* this is true (and I again I want to reiterate that I don't necessarily believe it is based on the limited information we have) It's extremely disgusting and worrying, having gangs of men going around punishing women by raping them for saying stuff they don't like. This is why I found the comments about not having sympathy for her pretty tasteless

Nobody said they didnt have sympathy, and you acknowledged why people would have less sympathy if this happened to Venables?

It is a pretty tasteless thing to discuss.. but you have implied you agreed on some level.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Nobody said they didnt have sympathy, and you acknowledged why people would have less sympathy if this happened to Venables?

It is a pretty tasteless thing to discuss.. but you have implied you agreed on some level.

If the same thing happened to someone who did that to someone else, that isn't comparable at all but whatever

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So words make rape less bad, got it

I mean words are pretty powerful especially when you're in politics. She's not some ignorant troll on social media spewing hate, she's a public figure in politics and if she's saying things like all muslims should be wiped out I'm gonna take her very seriously. I'm not at all justifying what happened to her I wouldn't wish that on anybody but I can't say I hold as much sympathy towards her as would to someone who wasn't calling for a genocide

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I mean words are pretty powerful especially when you're in politics. She's not some ignorant troll on social media spewing hate, she's a public figure in politics and if she's saying things like all muslims should be wiped out I'm gonna take her very seriously. I'm not at all justifying what happened to her I wouldn't wish that on anybody but I can't say I hold a lot of sympathy towards her

this exactly, being a politician is a big responsibility, and i think most people will take anything what they have to say seriously


but also agree with you, i wouldn't wish such disgusting thing as rape, assault and kidnapping on anyone, not even my enemies if i had any


she also could've just been thinking like i need to have police protection cause suicide and leaving your children and husband behind is also not really the best option


police protection and good help trying to overcome from this horrible rape/assault incident

[Matthew.]

was she a prominent politician in the netherlands?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

was she a prominent politician in the netherlands?

second most prominent in the PVV behind their party leader Geert Wilders


and some in the Tweede Kamer highest politics branch wanted her out of that because of her anti-muslim views, with also an Eerste Kamer where the lesser debates are held mostly from city mayors and younger teenage politicians

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

second most prominent in the PVV behind their party leader Geert Wilders


and some in the Tweede Kamer highest politics branch wanted her out of that because of her anti-muslim views, with also an Eerste Kamer where the lesser debates are held mostly from city mayors and younger teenage politicians

and is the PVV a prominent party in the netherlands?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

and is the PVV a prominent party in the netherlands?

awful enough my family voted for them, while i didn't want to


Geert Wilders their leader is more like the dutch Trump, but also a mix with Corbyn i guess


he is against any foreigners in our country, but he's being a bit hypocritical with that since his own wife is from Hungary and also doesn't really speak a word dutch


prominent party's here are CDA (christian democrat party) SP (socialistic party) VVD (freedom of democracy party, also from our current PM Mark Rutte) GroenLinks (they are for the youth and nature)

[glibberglobber]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

was she a prominent politician in the netherlands?

no respect

uncapitalized name of a country

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

no respect

uncapitalized name of a country

and your point is...

like how is that even relevant mess

[Alf]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I mean words are pretty powerful especially when you're in politics. She's not some ignorant troll on social media spewing hate, she's a public figure in politics and if she's saying things like all muslims should be wiped out I'm gonna take her very seriously. I'm not at all justifying what happened to her I wouldn't wish that on anybody but I can't say I hold as much sympathy towards her as would to someone who wasn't calling for a genocide

I'd prefer politicians to be honest and say what they believe to gain votes rather than be dishonest to gain votes.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's what I said armand.kay it works both ways, I have muslim friends too I think most of us have, it's a shame anyone hates anyone really,but there is a lot of it about.

yeah it really a shame

Originally Posted by Alf

I'd prefer politicians to be honest and say what they believe to gain votes rather than be dishonest to gain votes.

Did I give off the impression that I would have it another way?