[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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..and I do understand your thoughts of narcissistic personality as well with Roxanne...she does display that, I can see..it was sometimes said of Natalie but I don’t think it applied to Natalie at all...she absorbed frustrations from others which she often acted and reacted on etc...a narcissistic personality wouldn’t absorb in such a way.or vent frustrations that she knew others felt, you know...she also has complete love and devotion for her family so far as I can see.....so complete care for others and having a family helps with that, I think...having found something she feel completes her , as it were ..and balances her out..?...

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I agree with you. I don't believe Natalie to be a narcissist at all. She might be loud and objectionable in the way she expresses her views, but often she was making a valid point - just not in the right way. In many ways, she is the total opposite of Roxanne. Her strong objections to the way some house mates were showing total disregard for their partners outside suggest she has strong morals. It also suggests that she is empathetic and actually has compassion for others. She showed this on BOTS last night.

In many ways I have so much more respect for Natalie than for Roxanne. From what she has said, Natalie didn't have the easiest start in life and has experienced some difficulties in childhood. Despite that, I believe that beneath all the bluster, she is a decent person, who certainly has a sincere love and respect for her husband and her child, as well as a very strong sense of loyalty.

Although she didn't have a father on the scene, I get the impression- and I don't know this for a fact- that perhaps Roxanne had a more privileged upbringing than Natalie, and has perhaps been over-indulged. She certainly seems to care more about her own needs and feelings than those of whom she professes to love on the outside world.

I guess I have greater respect for Natalie's values.