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31-08-2018, 03:32 PM | #101 | |||
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ECT isn't a conspiracy against women. It's used more for depression than any other illness and 2/3 of people with non-bipolar depression are women by chance just like 2/3 of people with schizophrenia just happen to be male. Some illnesses are just more common in particular demographics by chance. That doesn't tell anything about preferential treatment or discrimination based on gender or age. Why were the huge majority of the ECT patients white kiz? Why so few Jamaicans? Is that evidence of systemic racism or does preferential discrimination only work when your particular demographic's included? And 12 treatments is the standard needed for it to work though isn't it kizzy. Someone nearer the top of this thread voiced an issue with ECT wearing off if it isn't done enough times and that's why every ECT patient needs at least 12 of them. It's for maintenance as well as acute treatment. Some of the ECT patients who couldn't give their consent would've been either floridly psychotic or literally at death's door. There's such a thing as temporary mental incapacity however non-PC it sounds to you. And most people who got the treatment benefited a lot from it as I see it. A whole 90% improved or are you willing to overlook that just to make ECT sound like a barbaric practice? Either make a full argument or humble yourself and learn.
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31-08-2018, 03:38 PM | #102 | |||
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Really...effective science is not applied because of my attitude?..... That is ridiculous you do realise that? Mild depression can be seizured away, leaving you forgetful. That's the advice? My 'general public' stylee input although in the world of invasive treatment is worth nada is this...
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31-08-2018, 03:38 PM | #103 | |||
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And adverse results can happen with any medical procedure unfortunately. Unless you've got solid proof that ECT causes more damage than any other practice you're just adding to the stigma.
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31-08-2018, 03:41 PM | #104 | |||
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31-08-2018, 03:41 PM | #105 | |||
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Good grief woman.
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31-08-2018, 03:45 PM | #106 | ||
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31-08-2018, 03:47 PM | #107 | ||
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Kizzy we will talk about exercise too, but people who can be helped by ECT are long past the point of getting up and exercising. There's a place and time for everything.
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31-08-2018, 03:53 PM | #108 | |||
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The participants were referred from clinics, the clients were, I'm presuming the locals within the areas involved. The number of psychotic people in the study were stated, what would the effects of 12 treatments on someone literally at deaths door incidentally? If you were to commit to a treatment for around a year as your time frame for treatments and frequency suggests then might there not be some improvement if you undertook anything for that length of time?... exercise? counselling? group therapy? It appears in the study to have been a raging success.... which begs the question why was there the offer to draw your own conclusion? Would it not be hailed as a miracle, would all these incapacitated OAPS not be flooding in rapture through the clinic doors, blinking into the sun cured?
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31-08-2018, 03:57 PM | #109 | ||
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I'm appalled at you thinking people who need ECT can exercise their depression away, Kizzy
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31-08-2018, 04:01 PM | #110 | |||
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I have no doubt that once IN that catatonic state this may be an option, but as a preventative strategy, no. Once again this is my opinion, it isn't hysterical or agenda based, I am taking part in this debate as are others and I a asking you to try to remain civil in your responses.
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31-08-2018, 04:05 PM | #111 | |||
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As seen in the study there are those for whom ECT is ultimately the only option, but not all and by no means mild to moderate depression imo.
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31-08-2018, 04:13 PM | #112 | ||
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Such an invasive treatmend would never be used like that. Do you think they dole out ECT left, right and centre? It's only used in extreme cases. I have severe depression and was turned down flat as not severe enough. |
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31-08-2018, 04:14 PM | #113 | |||
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31-08-2018, 04:15 PM | #114 | ||
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31-08-2018, 04:15 PM | #115 | ||
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There's no need for the aggressive / sarcastic comments Kizzy; if you want to have a rethink and discuss these things in a mature, level-headed way then by all means I think everyone is more than willing to do so, but other than that I genuinely just can't be bothered with the snarky attitude.
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31-08-2018, 04:17 PM | #116 | |||
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Here's some info I did that 'quiz' I scored 29 so apparently I need ECT.... Except I don't as I know that moods peak and trough, it's important not to get fixated on the negative... Especially for me as an ex addict.
I would advise staying away from any form of crutches, especially shocking ones. As an experiment if only as a way to prove me wrong I would take that quiz then take some exercise of your choice for a month or so, then take that test again.... I will eat my hat if that score hasn't improved some!
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31-08-2018, 04:18 PM | #117 | |||
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31-08-2018, 04:18 PM | #118 | ||
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Kizzy, please don't spread such dangerous misinformation |
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31-08-2018, 04:22 PM | #119 | |||
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'ECT's traditionally held in reserve for the most severe cases because of attitudes like kizzy's but it's meant to be the most effective treatment for all shades of depression.'
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31-08-2018, 04:25 PM | #120 | ||
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it means different types NOT degrees of severity! |
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31-08-2018, 04:26 PM | #121 | |||
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31-08-2018, 04:34 PM | #122 | |||
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Anxiety 1 0.1 Bipolar disorder - depression 39 2.1 Bipolar disorder - mania 3 0.2 Bipolar disorder 21 1.1 Catatonia - cause not stated 41 7.8 Catatonia - depression 11 0.6 Catatonia - schizophrenia 8 0.4 Depression 1637 86.4 Mania 13 0.7 Mixed affective psychosis 3 0.2 Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome 1 0.1 Peri-natal depression 1 0.1 Post-natal depression 14 0.7 Persistent delusional disorder 1 0.1 Psychosis 9 0.5 Schizoaffective disorder -depression 9 0.5 Schizoaffective disorder 6 0.3 Schizophrenia 9 0.5 Schizophrenia - mood disorder 1637 aged persons in that study were found to be suffering 'depression' not any of the other sub categories you stated.
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31-08-2018, 04:39 PM | #123 | ||
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but tbh, as soon as I stopped being suicidal they lost interest and tried to get me off their books asap when I said I do all that as much as I can but I'm not progressing they said I'd plateaued and have to wait. I said I wasted 5 years, the answer: oh, in same cases in may take 15 and a shrug. It's embarrassing to talk about details, but some days are better and others worse, but I'm not functioning whichever way you look at it. The worst is the constant fatigue. I get up and 30 min later I want to go back to bed. Now I'm scared to go and ask to be referred back bc I know they simply don't have time and resources and will fob me off again. There's ketamine treatment at nhs oxford where you pay for it, gonna do that in winter if things don't improve. |
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31-08-2018, 04:43 PM | #124 | ||
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If nothing else (and there's plenty of medical reasons), it is a very expensive treatment requiring hospital stay etc. No doctor would dream of recommending it if there were alternatives. |
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31-08-2018, 04:52 PM | #125 | |||
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BIB 2: first up everyone who's referred for ECT is ultimately psychotic in some form or other. Barking at the moon or in catatonic stupor they're all expressions of psychosis so all the patients in that study were suffering from it. 12 treatment's the minimum number for any course of ECT whether they are at death's door or just have moderately severe depression. It's never a one-time thing even in the lightest cases. I could only assume that the standard 12-treatment course would tone down the illness for at least a time and remove the risk of death in the patient who's at death's door. But you could always ignore that and bring up a few one-off cases of ECT gone wrong. Anything that helps you shame ECT even more innit. BIB 3: continuation ECT's rare and if it is used only about once monthly. They're expected to be on other treatment regimes according to the nature of their illness. Whatever about being a pure naturalist but why stop at exercise? What's the deal with life-saving treatments when you can use a bit of St John's wart after all? ECT's not supposed to alter the long-term course of the illness. It's a symptomatic treatment just like any other. You can say it's not appropriate for mild to moderate depression but at least it's more fitting to both grave and mild depression than a bit of jogging is for someone who's emaciated or stuporous from a delusional depression that makes them lie still in bed because voices threaten them with hell if they move left or right. St John's Wart is probably a waste of time for those high-grade cases too. BIB 4: what are you even on about this time? I don't understand. Quote:
BIB 2: until you stop skating over the 90% success rate and the lack of ethnic representation compared to your point about women and OAPs being over represented I don't believe that. Quote:
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