[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Whether his opinion of Sian is true or not, it doesn't justify the use of that word.

I don't particularly care for Sian but you use the words 'bitchy and malicious' to crticisize her when, in fact, Lewis is the most guilty of these characteristics, and yet he's excused and defended for being that way. She's said just a couple of bitchy things during the whole series, when he says numerous every episode so I just don't get why she is criticised but he isn't. It seems illogical to me.

I would not support a favourite mindlessly, but always remain objective enough to admit when a favourite has done wrong. And if they cross certain lines repeatedly then they become indefensible to me, and lose my support. As Lewis has done.

She's not nice, let's put it this way

[Ammi]

..But Lewis in particular is the one who feels he owns the definition of ‘not nice’...he can be the most not nice person in the world but will never recognise his own ‘not nice’ and still feel he was nice..someone else could be a slight hint of ‘not nice’ in Lewis’ eyes and thoughts..and that will make them a reptile or a generally awful person...

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..But Lewis in particular is the one who feels he owns the definition of ‘not nice’...he can be the most not nice person in the world but will never recognise his own ‘not nice’ and still feel he was nice..someone else could be a slight hint of ‘not nice’ in Lewis’ eyes and thoughts..and that will make them a reptile or a generally awful person...

For me Sian is very one dimensional as a person. At least Lewis has many sides to his personality. That's the difference for me.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

For me Sian is very one dimensional as a person. At least Lewis has many sides to his personality. That's the difference for me.

well she has at least three dimensions, we saw her being very upset when Isaac and Kenaley left and felt their loss, she has been very nice in tasks and open to helping others, she has been spot on in her observations and she has dry wit which is being classed as being bitchy...I don't believe it is

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

For me Sian is very one dimensional as a person. At least Lewis has many sides to his personality. That's the difference for me.

From what we've seen I absolutely agree with this, Vanessa. Lewis definitely has the more complex, and therefore more interesting personality, which does make him much more fascinating to watch, even if it doesn't make him more likeable to some.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

For me Sian is very one dimensional as a person. At least Lewis has many sides to his personality. That's the difference for me.

...no one is one dimensional, Vanessa..it’s just that she has been judged by Lewis in particular as her dimensions not being on a par of ‘superior’ enough...he has no interest in the many sides of the personality of others...he doesn’t even attempt to get to know the sides to people...he just withdraws and isolates himself...he really isn’t a people person at all and yet he feels he knows people enough to judge them...

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...no one is one dimensional, Vanessa..it’s just that she has been judged by Lewis in particular as her dimensions not being on a par of ‘superior’ enough...he has no interest in the many sides of the personality of others...he doesn’t even attempt to get to know the sides to people...he just withdraws and isolates himself...he really isn’t a people person at all and yet he feels he knows people enough to judge them...

I think she is perceived as one-dimensional only because she has hardly been shown at all, so the producers haven't enabled us to know her personality. I guess, in Vanessa's defence, if you are judging her as a character in a tv entertainment show, this is description is fair. However, if we remember she is a human being first, then it isn't.

I believe your perception of Lewis is very true. It is yet another irony in his character.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I think she is perceived as one-dimensional only because she has hardly been shown at all, so the producers haven't enabled us to know her personality. I guess, in Vanessa's defence, if you are judging her as a character in a tv entertainment show, this is description is fair. However, if we remember she is a human being first, then it isn't.

I believe your perception of Lewis is very true. It is yet another irony in his character.

I disagree, just because she hasn't been involved in arguments, we have seen her, in tasks and also her facial expressions and reactions which can be far more informative than fake interactions, that is what I love about BB which is why I could never understand people saying oh I have it on in the background, you have to watch it because it can just be a quick cut of a camera to a look or body movement

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I disagree, just because she hasn't been involved in arguments, we have seen her, in tasks and also her facial expressions and reactions which can be far more informative than fake interactions, that is what I love about BB which is why I could never understand people saying oh I have it on in the background, you have to watch it because it can just be a quick cut of a camera to a look or body movement

I agree with you here, Cherie. And I'm not for one moment seeing her as one-dimensional, but just suggesting the reason why some people might see her that way.

And you're so right about having to watch, rather than just have it on in the background. Some of Sian's expressions in particular have been very telling, without her saying a word.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I think she is perceived as one-dimensional only because she has hardly been shown at all, so the producers haven't enabled us to know her personality. I guess, in Vanessa's defence, if you are judging her as a character in a tv entertainment show, this is description is fair. However, if we remember she is a human being first, then it isn't.

I believe your perception of Lewis is very true. It is yet another irony in his character.

She just comes across as cold to me. Unlike Zoe, who i think is the opposite : warm hearted and friendly.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She just comes across as cold to me. Unlike Zoe, who i think is the opposite : warm hearted and friendly.

This for me aswell , I feel you could have a good old laugh with Zoe, and act around a bit Sian would be too scared of breaking a nail.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's not nice, let's put it this way

based on one comment she made about Lewis attacking women again..? what else are you basing this on? she has been nothing but lovely when we have seen her in the tasks.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's not nice, let's put it this way

You might well be right, Vanessa, and I wouldn't disagree with you here but I don't know that I've seen enough of her to be able to form any real judgement of her. She's largely been an invisible character in the background, doing and saying little from my perspective. And that's my biggest issue with her.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Garfie

You might well be right, Vanessa, and I wouldn't disagree with you here but I don't know that I've seen enough of her to be able to form any real judgement of her. She's largely been an invisible character in the background, doing and saying little from my perspective. And that's my biggest issue with her.

She's staying quiet on purpose, to get to the final and win. But entertainment wise she has given us nothing.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's staying quiet on purpose, to get to the final and win. But entertainment wise she has given us nothing.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She's staying quiet on purpose, to get to the final and win. But entertainment wise she has given us nothing.

Again, you could well be right, and I think this was Lewis' criticism of her, and that's fair enough. I have no objection if that is his opinion of her.

However, if that's the worst that can be said of her, I don't get why it justifies such venomous criticism of her from Lewis, or how it makes her a reptile or a ****. It just seems like a very extreme reaction to me.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Again, you could well be right, and I think this was Lewis' criticism of her, and that's fair enough. I have no objection if that is his opinion of her.

However, if that's the worst that can be said of her, I don't get why it justifies such venomous criticism of her from Lewis, or how it makes her a reptile or a ****. It just seems like a very extreme reaction to me.

He thinks she put him up for eviction via the mystery box courtesy of Zoe, I think this will increase support for Sian

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Again, you could well be right, and I think this was Lewis' criticism of her, and that's fair enough. I have no objection if that is his opinion of her.

However, if that's the worst that can be said of her, I don't get why it justifies such venomous criticism of her from Lewis, or how it makes her a reptile or a ****. It just seems like a very extreme reaction to me.

Yes, i also don't like the swearing. But i think he meant that she's cooking and cleaning as a way to avoid getting nominated. Also staying away from arguments and never saying out loud what she thinks.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes, i also don't like the swearing. But i think he meant that she's cooking and cleaning as a way to avoid getting nominated. Also staying away from arguments and never saying out loud what she thinks.

Well, if that's the reason for his response, it's a good job he isn't married to her then.....!

'You've been cooking and cleaning, and are non-confrontational, you ****,' ranted Lewis when he arrived home after a hard day's work. 'How bloody dare you!?'

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Well, if that's the reason for his response, it's a good job he isn't married to her then.....!

'You've been cooking and cleaning, and are non-confrontational, you ****,' ranted Lewis when he arrived home after a hard day's work. 'How bloody dare you!?'

In the House cooking and cleaning is a well known strategy to avoid getting nominated.