[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I've always admired you on here and thought you were one of the most interesting posters but honestly you come across recently as thinking you are better than others and look down on anyone who is still passionate about the show.

How is it embarrassing to not be happy at a big change being threatened to a show you love with it being highly suspect that it was formulated to save certain people?

With all due respect Amy, I haven't changed...you're just on the other side of the fence this year so disagree with me I've posted the same consistent arguments year after year for the best part of a decade, people know what I'm about by now

I'm not really getting that criticism when I myself am still passionate about the show? Well...to a certain extent. What's embarrassing was the ridiculous meltdowns when it was patently obvious VTS was never going to win, and that they were not going to rig the vote (like they should've done) as 80% of people on here presumed they were going to

The bottom line of it all is, people are perfectly content for the show to be manipulated when it's to the benefit of their favourites...but not when it's the other way round. I can admit that, so it's time other people started doing the same rather than pretending they're consistent and all about fairness

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I've always admired you on here and thought you were one of the most interesting posters but honestly you come across recently as thinking you are better than others and look down on anyone who is still passionate about the show.

How is it embarrassing to not be happy at a big change being threatened to a show you love with it being highly suspect that it was formulated to save certain people?

Good points AJ!

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If they really wanted to change it to VTS then they would have regardless of the result (which is what should've happened), 80% of this forum thought that's what was going to happen, that it was all going to be one big engineered rig and in the end nothing changed...just as I suspected! The meltdowns were ridiculous, it was patently obvious VTS wasn't going to win

Eh, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities to believe that the show definitely was hoping for one result over the other but then went with the actual vote count. It actually reminds me of some stupid **** that Alison Grodner would pull in BBUS, except this time it didn't work out (like when the MVP nominated Elissa in BB15 )

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Jack_

With all due respect Amy, I haven't changed...you're just on the other side of the fence this year so disagree with me I've posted the same consistent arguments year after year for the best part of a decade, people know what I'm about by now

I'm not really getting that criticism when I myself am still passionate about the show? Well...to a certain extent. What's embarrassing was the ridiculous meltdowns when it was patently obvious VTS was never going to win, and that they were not going to rig the vote (like they should've done) as 80% of people on here presumed they were going to

The bottom line of it all is, people are perfectly content for the show to be manipulated when it's to the benefit of their favourites...but not when it's the other way round. I can admit that, so it's time other people started doing the same rather than pretending they're consistent and all about fairness

Another good post and the voice of reason.
I like Lewis..it would be in my interest to have had VTS...but I didn't I voted VTE although I prefer VTS.
The reason being is that some of the housemates that have left would maybe still be in the house with VTS and to me it wasn't fair on them. Also had it been changed and Lewis or whoever went on to win it would not only have been unfair but it would be a shallow victory.

[Daniel-X]

I actually think the reason they’ve decided not to go ahead with it is because of the claims of rigging. Let’s face it, Lewis is clearly the producers ‘pet’ this year and the sudden attempt to switch the vote to VTS was a clear attempt to guarantee his safety. However, I’ve seen on twitter and on here how unpopular it was, as everyone saw through their reasoning behind it. They can’t turn their backs on what little viewers they have left, they knew a huge backlash would happen so... why would they risk it?

[reece(:]

I wonder how yall would have spun it if VTS won? Probably a differently crafted passive aggressive line.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I wonder how yall would have spun it if VTS won? Probably a differently crafted passive aggressive line.

You could just drop the y'all and direct your posts at me? There's a certain irony in mentioning passive aggression in this post

If they'd rigged it to make it VTS first of all I would have admitted I was wrong (I wonder how many others are going to do that), and then applauded the production team for making the right decision, and the one I've said they should do ever since this whole thing was announced. No spin, just the consistent line of argument I've always stuck to...not for the last 24 hours, but the last five years

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by reece(:

I wonder how yall would have spun it if VTS won? Probably a differently crafted passive aggressive line.

You have people on this post being fair minded...it's the result you wanted...why are you baiting?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If they really wanted to change it to VTS then they would have regardless of the result (which is what should've happened), 80% of this forum thought that's what was going to happen, that it was all going to be one big engineered rig and in the end nothing changed...just as I suspected! The meltdowns were ridiculous, it was patently obvious VTS wasn't going to win

..yeah they would have just changed it Jack and it was never going to be rigged just as you suspected.....but the whole thing as well though, Jack...is the ‘meltdowns’ are all part of it, all part of BB and always have been...it’s a bit like a calm and rational parent saying...’no don’t fret, it’s nothing to get worked up about and angry and annoyed about - it’s all going to be cool and fine and dandy’....that might be completely correct..?...but there still has to be the stomping around and grumbling and moaning and worrying and outrage etc...do you not see that also..?..because it’s a very essential of a big brother forum....because if none of these things were felt or expressed or whatever by some...?....then the full experience of the show wouldn’t have been felt...we love, we hate, we scream etc...it’s all a rollercoaster that is totally necessary to display our passion for something we all love...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Sorry to hear you are embarrassed.

[Cherie]

Fans calling out a suspect move by production, I don't see what the big issue is, there was absolutely no need to put a poll up if they weren't considering it

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Good job poll voters

So it WASN'T rigged in the first place was it? As they would have ignored the poll and gone for a VTS, the hystreonics on here when things aren't going some peoples way is baffling.

[Vanessa]

If they wanted to rig it they would have. I told you all yesterday that the results of the poll would be respected.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If they really wanted to change it to VTS then they would have regardless of the result (which is what should've happened), 80% of this forum thought that's what was going to happen, that it was all going to be one big engineered rig and in the end nothing changed...just as I suspected! The meltdowns were ridiculous, it was patently obvious VTS wasn't going to win

Exactly my thoughts too,

[bots]

I'm sure those saying they never intended to change the vote would have had no problem with Hitler invading Poland as he was probably only going there for a holiday.

[BBDodge]

Just wait to you see the riggage for the 2nd eviction on Friday.

[Kazanne]

There is and never has been 'riggage' just ridiculous.

[Niamh.]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If they really wanted to change it to VTS then they would have regardless of the result (which is what should've happened), 80% of this forum thought that's what was going to happen, that it was all going to be one big engineered rig and in the end nothing changed...just as I suspected! The meltdowns were ridiculous, it was patently obvious VTS wasn't going to win

Nothing to add to all you say above.
Spot on again as you near usually are Jack_

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

With all due respect Amy, I haven't changed...you're just on the other side of the fence this year so disagree with me I've posted the same consistent arguments year after year for the best part of a decade, people know what I'm about by now

I'm not really getting that criticism when I myself am still passionate about the show? Well...to a certain extent. What's embarrassing was the ridiculous meltdowns when it was patently obvious VTS was never going to win, and that they were not going to rig the vote (like they should've done) as 80% of people on here presumed they were going to

The bottom line of it all is, people are perfectly content for the show to be manipulated when it's to the benefit of their favourites...but not when it's the other way round. I can admit that, so it's time other people started doing the same rather than pretending they're consistent and all about fairness

I prefer Lewis, I knew he needed VTS to increase his chances of staying, I knew that producers only posed the question to try and save him and still be in a posistion where ****ing Rylan could turn around and be all “wow dont blame us, you guys voted for it”

And I’m still annoyed it all happened.

People dont want producer manipulation on any level, this time they tried to be sneaky instead of outright pissing us all off without warning (which i suppose could be seen as improvement... its still nowhere near good or professional enough for the last million fans though). People were angry when they thought VTS was gonna win, and people are happy that it didnt. They’re allowed to celebrate a win over ****ty production, just as you would have celebrated if ****ty production won over the common sense.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I prefer Lewis, I knew he needed VTS to increase his chances of staying, I knew that producers only posed the question to try and save him and still be in a posistion where ****ing Rylan could turn around and be all “wow dont blame us, you guys voted for it”

And I’m still annoyed it all happened.

People dont want producer manipulation on any level, this time they tried to be sneaky instead of outright pissing us all off without warning (which i suppose could be seen as improvement... its still nowhere near good or professional enough for the last million fans though). People were angry when they thought VTS was gonna win, and people are happy that it didnt. They’re allowed to celebrate a win over ****ty production, just as you would have celebrated if ****ty production won over the common sense.

Exactly.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Sorry to hear you are embarrassed.

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thanks babes I appreciate that second hand embarrassment is a terrible thing, it's just hard not to cringe for you all

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm sure those saying they never intended to change the vote would have had no problem with Hitler invading Poland as he was probably only going there for a holiday.

Godwin's law makes an appearance in the Big Brother subforum. Who'd have thought it?

Originally Posted by Withano

People dont want producer manipulation on any level, this time they tried to be sneaky instead of outright pissing us all off without warning (which i suppose could be seen as improvement... its still nowhere near good or professional enough for the last million fans though). People were angry when they thought VTS was gonna win, and people are happy that it didnt. They’re allowed to celebrate a win over ****ty production, just as you would have celebrated if ****ty production won over the common sense.

Actually that's not true at all, there have been times in the past where the producers have manipulated or engineered results and the majority of this forum was elated because it was for one of their favourites. When it became clear last series that they were doing the nightly voting update to help save Isabelle, suddenly people were in favour, and have commended that move in the months after the fact. The rigging to save Charley in BB8 is also looked back upon fondly and as something hilarious. When it gets them the result they want (i.e. one that benefits their favourites), people are content with producer manipulation. That's fine, it's the same for me too. What others need to do is just own up and admit that rather than pretending that they're consistent and have always been about fairness

Where did I say people weren't allowed to celebrate? My point was that there was nothing to throw a strop over in the first place. It was clear nothing was going to change, that the "win over production" was going to be obvious, and like I would've done had they actually rigged it, maybe people could just go "fair enough, I was wrong and overreacted" - because they were

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Thanks babes I appreciate that second hand embarrassment is a terrible thing, it's just hard not to cringe for you all



Godwin's law makes an appearance in the Big Brother subforum. Who'd have thought it?



Actually that's not true at all, there have been times in the past where the producers have manipulated or engineered results and the majority of this forum was elated because it was for one of their favourites. When it became clear last series that they were doing the nightly voting update to help save Isabelle, suddenly people were in favour, and have commended that move in the months after the fact. The rigging to save Charley in BB8 is also looked back upon fondly and as something hilarious. When it gets them the result they want (i.e. one that benefits their favourites), people are content with producer manipulation. That's fine, it's the same for me too. What others need to do is just own up and admit that rather than pretending that they're consistent and have always been about fairness

Where did I say people weren't allowed to celebrate? My point was that there was nothing to throw a strop over in the first place. It was clear nothing was going to change, that the "win over production" was going to be obvious, and like I would've done had they actually rigged it, maybe people could just go "fair enough, I was wrong and overreacted" - because they were

Well Charley’s fake eviction was announced a full week before it happened, even before she was up for nomination, and people were angry about the producer manipulation result reveals thing with issy but grew to enjoy the fan-lead campaigns and their personal victories. The enjoyment of that was entirely separate to production-input.

This Lewis thing is different to both, and people didn’t like that. Even two out of two Lewis fans on this thread have told you that they didn’t like it!

Maybe the difference is between a cloud of doubt and complete transparency, but people typically hate the rigging.

Also I think you need to understand that a very large chunk of the viewers really do not want to watch people that they hate. Even if they’re loud and argumentative or dominating the highlights. Most people dislike watching people they dislike - viewers don’t need saving from themselves, they know what they want and do not want to watch. It may be different to the things that’s you enjoy watching. You should have understood that by now! I feel like I’ve told you this every 6 months for the past 4 or 5 years!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I prefer Lewis, I knew he needed VTS to increase his chances of staying, I knew that producers only posed the question to try and save him and still be in a posistion where ****ing Rylan could turn around and be all “wow dont blame us, you guys voted for it”

And I’m still annoyed it all happened.

People dont want producer manipulation on any level, this time they tried to be sneaky instead of outright pissing us all off without warning (which i suppose could be seen as improvement... its still nowhere near good or professional enough for the last million fans though). People were angry when they thought VTS was gonna win, and people are happy that it didnt. They’re allowed to celebrate a win over ****ty production, just as you would have celebrated if ****ty production won over the common sense.

Great post Withano, I agree completely, apart from the first few words.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Withano

I prefer Lewis, I knew he needed VTS to increase his chances of staying, I knew that producers only posed the question to try and save him and still be in a posistion where ****ing Rylan could turn around and be all “wow dont blame us, you guys voted for it”

And I’m still annoyed it all happened.

People dont want producer manipulation on any level, this time they tried to be sneaky instead of outright pissing us all off without warning (which i suppose could be seen as improvement... its still nowhere near good or professional enough for the last million fans though). People were angry when they thought VTS was gonna win, and people are happy that it didnt. They’re allowed to celebrate a win over ****ty production, just as you would have celebrated if ****ty production won over the common sense.