[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The point is people have their views .

It's not about using it to defend sexuality ,but I don't like how Christianity gets used as an easy target . This was the main headline on the news ,but in other countries there's people with zero rights . Plus not all religious people are mental .

I get where you're coming from. There are "worse" religions, but it's easy to have a go at Christianity as they won't accuse you of e.g. anti-semitism or islamophobia. Not to mention nobody will come round to kill you.

But having said that I'm with Redway, we can't deny all three Abrahamic religions have anti-homosexual texts in them which are still used to discriminate.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I get where you're coming from. There are "worse" religions, but it's easy to have a go at Christianity as they won't accuse you of e.g. anti-semitism or islamophobia. Not to mention nobody will come round to kill you.

But having said that I'm with Redway, we can't deny all three Abrahamic religions have anti-homosexual texts in them which are still used to discriminate.

There's still no denying Religion brings comfort to some people , even the most devout person struggles with their faith .

There's plenty of loving open minded religious people around as well . Not everyone is a strict militant with fingers in their ears .

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

There's still no denying Religion brings comfort to some people , even the most devout person struggles with their faith .

There's plenty of loving open minded religious people around as well . Not everyone is a strict militant with fingers in their ears .

I defended religion last time it was discussed here, I mean the right to be religious etc
I don't disagree with you GH. But let's not act surprised the religious texts formed a basis for persecution of homosexuality bc they have

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I defended religion last time it was discussed here, I mean the right to be religious etc
I don't disagree with you GH. But let's not act surprised the religious texts formed a basis for persecution of homosexuality bc they have

Yeah I know what you're saying TS , I remember the last discussion .

All over the world people are persecuted for who they are and what they believe in .

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I get where you're coming from. There are "worse" religions, but it's easy to have a go at Christianity as they won't accuse you of e.g. anti-semitism or islamophobia. Not to mention nobody will come round to kill you.

But having said that I'm with Redway, we can't deny all three Abrahamic religions have anti-homosexual texts in them which are still used to discriminate.

The fundamentalists of those religions discriminate... the extremists... But there are rabbis who will bless your gay marriage, some Christian vicars will even marry gay couples. I rarely meet a contemporary person of faith who believes God made a mistake with gay people. And frankly, if they're going to discriminate against people for being gay then they're not my kind of people.

Just a word about your first para, 2S... No ringletted Frommer is goinging round to anyone's house to kill them or there'd be a whole pile of Corbynites awaiting burial.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

The fundamentalists of those religions discriminate... the extremists... But there are rabbis who will bless your gay marriage, some Christian vicars will even marry gay couples. I rarely meet a contemporary person of faith who believes God made a mistake with gay people. And frankly, if they're going to discriminate against people for being gay then they're not my kind of people.

Just a word about your first para, 2S... No ringletted Frommer is goinging round to anyone's house to kill them or there'd be a whole pile of Corbynites awaiting burial.

Haven't had a chance to talk to all those progressives but I wonder how far their acceptance goes? Do they still think homosexuality is a sin, but we're all sinners etc. That's the line the pope takes for example. I.e. they'd happily embrace homos etc but still think we're wrong about our sex lives, just politely not say it?
Re. your second para, you know that I had Islamist terrorists in mind, but ta for the mental image Would choking them on matzo (no water allowed) be the method of killing?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Haven't had a chance to talk to all those progressives but I wonder how far their acceptance goes? Do they still think homosexuality is a sin, but we're all sinners etc. That's the line the pope takes for example. I.e. they'd happily embrace homos etc but still think we're wrong about our sex lives, just politely not say it?
Re. your second para, you know that I had Islamist terrorists in mind, but ta for the mental image Would choking them on matzo (no water allowed) be the method of killing?

I don't know anyone from my family, nor anyone from my synagogue who has the slightest thought that gay people are different and shouldn't be happy. I can't speak for people of all faiths, and not everyone in my own, but the consensus amongst Jews I know is that God doesn't make mistakes.

If you're going to kill a Frommer, best thing to use would be a pork chop.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't know anyone from my family, nor anyone from my synagogue who has the slightest thought that gay people are different and shouldn't be happy. I can't speak for people of all faiths, and not everyone in my own, but the consensus amongst Jews I know is that God doesn't make mistakes.

Right but the idea from religious people I've talked to in any depth about this (all Christian, admittedly) is that they generally argue that homosexuality (or at least homosexual acts) are a choice borne of free will, and that as God knowingly gave people free will, it's not God's mistake if someone "chooses" to be actively homosexual - it is their own.

I would add though that none of these people were "hateful" towards gay people or didn't want gay people to find happiness, more of a philosophical acceptance that it "is a sin" but that that's between that person and God and it's not other people's place to judge (as everyone sins to some degree, etc etc).

I've also had a iscussion with one person who was pondering whether maybe people were actually born gay, God might actually have chosen to make them gay, as some sort of Book of Job style "test" i.e. chose for some people to be born with strong homosexual urges to test their ability to resist those urges, as it's only the act - not the desire - that's sinful.

Which is an interesting(?) perspective... I suppose...