[Underscore]

Project fear

CANCEL IT!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lime

Sorry?? but how do know who another forum member has met in life?
and if what you say is true ..how can you say that your sure they can comment.

I have never met someone from KKK...I feel very comfortable commenting on them

That's great if I need some KKK info I will deffo come to you but this inst the time nor place a

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

No, go find them yourself.

There's none to find

[lime]

Originally Posted by Alf

They voted to leave the EU nearly 3 years ago, and they're still in the EU, I'd say they're in their right to think it.

That's your problem...not ours.We as irish have made our point clear

[lime]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That's great if I need some KKK info I will deffo come to you but this inst the time nor place a

Jeez and I thought my english was bad,

[lime]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Project fear

CANCEL IT!

and what as you rhodesian do see as fear..Grace and Robert is too much in your ear

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

There's none to find

It's Saturday night, they're probably out.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No surprise, the far right are more of a threat to the UK now than any other perceived terrorism

What a silly thing to say. How is it 'perceived terrorism' when it is actual terrorism though?

Anyway, I do agree with Chris Grayling. The thousands of people marching London in protest of Brexit claim they want peace and globalism but don't realise that if Brexit is blocked this country would see more violence than what's been going on in France recently.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

And remember those mobs who protested Trump coming to the UK = not extreme

Those who confronted JRM and his children at his home = not extreme

Those protesters stopping Anne Marie Waters from attending the hustings = not extreme

People trying to overturn the result of the referendum getting protested = extreme

Protesting isn't an extreme act but assassinating an MP most certainly is. Honestly, you should be denouncing the extreme right, not defending them by attacking the left. Tribalism isn't a good look.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Riley.

if Brexit is blocked this country would see more violence than what's been going on in France recently.

Fake news. France has a history of violent protest; they've had several riots and incidents of civil unrest per decade since the late 1800's. It's a totally different culture. If Brexit is blocked we'll have a few OAP's grumbling while they buy their porridge, milk and Daily Mail in the morning. They'll never riot, because if they try they'll all break their hips.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Protesting isn't an extreme act but assassinating an MP most certainly is. Honestly, you should be denouncing the extreme right, not defending them by attacking the left. Tribalism isn't a good look.

These aren't the extreme right, these are working class people who have one weapon, their vote. But their vote is not being accepted. Which leaves them with nothing, and they're angry about it.

I've already said that they are not going about it in the right way, although I'm with them on the principle of why they are there.

These are working class people who are seeing their only weapon being taken away from them, and they're scared and nobody is listening to them, and they're lashing out.

They are not far-right or fascists.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's Saturday night, they're probably out.

that must be it
tomorrow they'll be hungover
so do your list on Monday

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

These aren't the extreme right, these are working class people who have one weapon, their vote. But their vote is not being accepted. Which leaves them with nothing, and they're angry about it.

I've already said that they are not going about it in the right way, although I'm with them on the principle of why they are there.

These are working class people who are seeing their only weapon being taken away from them, and they're scared and nobody is listening to them, and they're lashing out.

They are not far-right or fascists.

they will vote again, get yourself a decent majority and all will be fine
bet you won't though

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

they will vote again, get yourself a decent majority and all will be fine
bet you won't though

They already did vote again in the General Election after the referendum. They again voted to leave the EU where the offer was "no deal is better than a bad deal" we just want out and we've told you twice at the ballot box. You need to listen to us, we're not holding you hostage, we just want out.

You've seen the rise of what's labaled as right wing parties in Germany and Italy, if you don't listen to the people, then we'll probably go the same way.

[Twosugars]

like ukip? lol
it's better than ruining the country for decades to come

[Beso]

Originally Posted by lime

here for what may I ask?

Britain being a real life tibb....I am more perched than emu ever was.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

like ukip? lol
it's better than ruining the country for decades to come

It might be worse than Ukip there's a lot of jossling for position and in-fighting on this side of the argument at the moment.

UKIP was finished after the referendum result and most went and put their vote back to the mainstream, but Ukip are now still alive because the people are being deceived.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

These aren't the extreme right, these are working class people who have one weapon, their vote. But their vote is not being accepted. Which leaves them with nothing, and they're angry about it.

I've already said that they are not going about it in the right way, although I'm with them on the principle of why they are there.

These are working class people who are seeing their only weapon being taken away from them, and they're scared and nobody is listening to them, and they're lashing out.

They are not far-right or fascists.

They voted for the current government to handle Brexit, they're getting what they voted for. If another referendum takes place, the result of that will be just as democratic as the last vote, it's not suddenly undemocratic just because there's a decent chance it won't go your way. The will of the people isn't static, it can change or develop otherwise there wouldn't be any point in elections or any votes. If the current deal is a no go and the option to pursue a no deal brexit is blocked then the only option is to see what the people want to do.

Also, you're just proving what I've said all along to be true, you're blinded by your sense of tribalism that you can't bring yourself to condemn the extreme elements of the right, instead you're trying to downplay it and rationalise their actions. I think Jo Cox's family would disagree with what you're saying.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They voted for the current government to handle Brexit, they're getting what they voted for. If another referendum takes place, the result of that will be just as democratic as the last vote, it's not suddenly undemocratic just because there's a decent chance it won't go your way. The will of the people isn't static, it can change or develop otherwise there wouldn't be any point in elections or any votes. If the current deal is a no go and the option to pursue a no deal brexit is blocked then the only option is to see what the people want to do.

Also, you're just proving what I've said all along to be true, you're blinded by your sense of tribalism that you can't bring yourself to condemn the extreme elements of the right, instead you're trying to downplay it and rationalise their actions. I think Jo Cox's family would disagree with what you're saying.

Listen, you don't win the argument by bringing up Jo Cox, and if you continue to use her death for political gain, then people are just going to tell you where you can stick Jo Cox. She was murdered by one low-life scum, not 17.4m people who want to leave a union. You don't own her murder, so stop using her death to think you can win the argument.You can't win it with that against me.

[James]

The problem with a second referendum is that it is being proposed by people that supported remain before and still do. It's not being proposed by people that supported leave before and have now changed their minds. Those people are just going to think that the first vote didn't count.

It would be better for remain campaigners and MPs to get behind a compromise that still delivers a version of Brexit, whether it is this deal, or if that isn't passed, a Norway-type deal.

It won't please everyone, but that is unavoidable.

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

The problem with a second referendum is that it is being proposed by people that supported remain before and still do. It's not being proposed by people that supported leave before and have now changed their minds. Those people are just going to think that the first vote didn't count.

It would be better for remain campaigners and MPs to get behind a compromise that still delivers a version of Brexit, whether it is this deal, or if that isn't passed, a Norway-type deal.

It won't please everyone, but that is unavoidable.

So far not enough backing that.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

They already did vote again in the General Election after the referendum. They again voted to leave the EU where the offer was "no deal is better than a bad deal" we just want out and we've told you twice at the ballot box. You need to listen to us, we're not holding you hostage, we just want out.

You've seen the rise of what's labaled as right wing parties in Germany and Italy, if you don't listen to the people, then we'll probably go the same way.

this feels similar to a hostage situation, making demands though

[Beso]

I find it disgusting that the two opposing sides in government cant get their acts together to come together enough to deliver the will of the majority of the population.

If that's not enough to get people up protesting against this failing political system I don't know what is.

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I find it disgusting that the two opposing sides in government cant get their acts together to come together enough to deliver the will of the majority of the population.

If that's not enough to get people up protesting against this failing political system I don't know what is.

The Prime Minister is at fault
last year she changed the deal
upsetting all sides.


Corbyn was expecting
her to Leave on her early deal.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by arista

The Prime Minister is at fault
last year she changed the deal
upsetting all sides.


Corbyn was expecting
her to Leave on her early deal.

It should never have been left to one side to sort out a deal. Probably one of the biggest tasks this country has had to deal with in modern times...I was looking for my government to come into the modern era and come together putting all differences aside and deliver what the country both wants and needs.