[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well you appeared not to know any, how was I supposed to know..ok?

For the record, I have friends that are Muslims and the way you speak is really disgusting.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You haven't. You've made some wild claims about cats, Muslims and abuse.

If you are too lazy to read the thread I cant help you

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by SherzyK

For the record, I have friends that are Muslims and the way you speak is really disgusting.

What have I said that is disgusting....please point it out.....it was Marsh that said ‘those kind of people’ which I found disgusting but you seem to have no issue with?

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What have I said that is disgusting....please point it out.....it was Marsh that said ‘those kind of people’ which I found disgusting but you seem to have no issue with?

You clearly instigated the argument about Muslims. Nothing would have been said had you not have brought it up. I’m not saying more on this, please educate yourself before making such remarks

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If you are too lazy to read the thread I cant help you

It's not my fault you can't make a point.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by SherzyK

You clearly instigated the argument about Muslims. Nothing would have been said had you not have brought it up. I’m not saying more on this, please educate yourself before making such remarks

I was asking how muslim women could be accommodated in a mixed ward as it would be against their culture, if you can’t follow the thread thats not my issue

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's not my fault you can't make a point.

My point seems to be irking plenty of you on this thread even if I can’t make one apparently

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What have I said that is disgusting....please point it out.....it was Marsh that said ‘those kind of people’ which I found disgusting but you seem to have no issue with?

Erm...

I responded to an unspecific comment "...what about the one where women cover their hair.." so "those kinds of people" refers to "people would have an issue with aspects of Western culture". Don't dare try to twist it into some kind of Islamic slur 2 pages later.

Muslims aren't the only people in the world who wear head scarves.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

My point seems to be irking plenty of you on this thread even if I can’t make one apparently

Your random comparisons to cats and Muslims has confused me. What you personally have against mix gender wards we've yet to establish.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Oh dear

I'm well educated on Islam and I have Muslim and ex-Muslim friends. What is the problem with a Muslim woman sharing a ward with other people? Do trans people have x-ray vision now so that they can invade the curtains around someones bed and see them dressing or something?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Your random comparisons to cats and Muslims has confused me. What you personally have against mix gender wards we've yet to establish.

Personally nothing as I have already mentioned in the thread, in the same post I did mention what my issue was, a quick read back for you as I made the point in the last hour ...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I'm well educated on Islam and I have Muslim and ex-Muslim friends. What is the problem with a Muslim woman sharing a ward with other people? Do trans people have x-ray vision now so that they can invade the curtains around someones bed and see them dressing or something?

Okay so you are saying there would be no issues in that respect, well I think you are wrong

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Personally nothing as I have already mentioned in the thread, in the same post I did mention what my issue was, a quick read back for you as I made the point in the last hour ...

I already addressed it which you denied.

But I'll let you get back to defending "women who cover their hair" from the big bad males.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Personally nothing as I have already mentioned in the thread, in the same post I did mention what my issue was, a quick read back for you as I made the point in the last hour ...

So you're saying all Muslim women are transphobic? That's a reach.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

So you're saying all Muslim women are transphobic? That's a reach.

Nope I never said that, but it looks like that is what you think

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I'm well educated on Islam and I have Muslim and ex-Muslim friends.

ex-muslim friends you say

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

ex-muslim friends you say

I'd assume she means people from Muslim families / backgrounds who are not actually actively religious themselves. There were two Muslim kids at my high school (yes, only two, my school was so white-Scottish that Catholics were rare ) but neither of them were "actually Muslims", both were atheist.

I suppose in the same way I could be called "ex-Christian"

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'd assume she means people from Muslim families / backgrounds who are not actually actively religious themselves. There were two Muslim kids at my high school (yes, only two, my school was so white-Scottish that Catholics were rare ) but neither of them were "actually Muslims", both were atheist.

I suppose in the same way I could be called "ex-Christian"

Yeah i would say I'm ex catholic, most people don't get a choice as to what religion they're born into

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah i would say I'm ex catholic, most people don't get a choice as to what religion they're born into

hence the reason these vile cults prosper especially in poorly educated countries

[smudgie]

I just can’t see a problem here.
Firstly, mixed wards are or were the norm, but I have never seen mixed sexes/genders allocated to the same room.
The only time the men and women would meet was in the day room or the corridors.
I have absolutely no problem being admitted to a mixed ward, just as long as they have enough privacy available to all.
As an older person, I would have no issues with sharing a room with a trans person, more concerned about anyone snoring and keeping me awake.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I just can’t see a problem here.
Firstly, mixed wards are or were the norm, but I have never seen mixed sexes/genders allocated to the same room.
The only time the men and women would meet was in the day room or the corridors.
I have absolutely no problem being admitted to a mixed ward, just as long as they have enough privacy available to all.
As an older person, I would have no issues with sharing a room with a trans person, more concerned about anyone snoring and keeping me awake.

Yes Smudgie and that is your right, but as it stands if you did have an issue on cultural, religious or personal grounds your rights are less than the trans person, are you happy with giving every one else rights away based on your own personal preferences?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes Smudgie and that is your right, but as it stands if you did have an issue on cultural, religious or personal grounds your rights are less than the trans person, are you happy with giving every one else rights away based on your own personal preferences?

Is intolerance a "right"? ...

Also, your suggesting is that transfemales shouldn't be on female wards, but on male wards instead. It's perfectly feasible that a male on THAT ward could have a personal or religious issue with transgendered people. So then what?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Is intolerance a "right"? ...

Also, your suggesting is that transfemales shouldn't be on female wards, but on male wards instead. It's perfectly feasible that a male on THAT ward could have a personal or religious issue with transgendered people. So then what?

No I am not saying that at all, I would suggest a mixed ward would be the place, I don't think someone who self identified as a man or a woman last week should have the automatic right to go on a male only or female only ward.

You are asking about intolerance, what about someone whose religious belief does not allow them to be on the same ward as a male or female, what happens then, whose rights are more important?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No I am not saying that at all, I would suggest a mixed ward would be the place, I don't think someone who self identified as a man or a woman last week should have the automatic right to go on a male only or female only ward.

You are asking about intolerance, what about someone whose religious belief does not allow them to be on the same ward as a male or female, what happens then, whose rights are more important?

If a mixed ward exists then why wouldn't all wards be mixed? Also, in terms of the latter argument, it would be entirely that individual's choice to not be on a ward and they can go home . In terms of rights, there's a huge difference between "I don't want to" and "you're not allowed to". They're not being denied a place anywhere, they're not being told they "must" do anything.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If a mixed ward exists then why wouldn't all wards be mixed? Also, in terms of the latter argument, it would be entirely that individual's choice to not be on a ward and they can go home . In terms of rights, there's a huge difference between "I don't want to" and "you're not allowed to". They're not being denied a place anywhere, they're not being told they "must" do anything.

In all hospitals there are male wards, female wards and mixed wards unless it is different in Scotland?