[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I didn't need a lot of convincing to be fair, but if I did need it those 2 broken men convinced me last night ,how many more broken men are trying to live a normal life now because of what MJ did to them ?

I'm sure the dollars and exposure will fix them up good and proper.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Copy and pasting is fine as a quote or acknowledging that you are referencing/agreeing with the statement you posted, it's not ok to pass the written thoughts of another person off as your own (Kazanne has posted that wasn't her intention)

It was brought up because its genuinely not fair on members taking part in the discussion or replying to Kazannes posts, they are basically replying to a stranger's opinion and well it's just odd tbh.

However why you felt the need to jump in and bring it back up again when it was over and done with I do not know but if we could keep on topic now please that would be great.

I switch my computer off at night and go back to what page I was last on and read through the comments in the morning when I switch it back on , that when I saw Vickys comment and answered it, as I thought was my right to do so ?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what would be solid evidence as i note that is what you require?

Had the one kept the underwear for one instance.
Only he went to get them he said.
He didn't need to get rid of them.
If they had not been conveniently got rid of 'by him himself, not even apparently worrying his blood was on them even, that was solid evidence.

If, I stress if, it was ever the case they existed with blood on them, and his tale had even the slightest element of truth as to it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Had the one kept the underwear for one instance.
Only he went to get them he said.
He didn't need to get rid of them.
If they had not been conveniently got rid of 'by him himself, not even apparently worrying his blood was on them even, that was solid evidence.

If, I stress if, it was ever the case they existed with blood on them, and his tale had even the slightest element of truth as to it.

Joey he had no interest in keeping evidence or proof of what they were doing, he was as invested in keeping it a secret as MJ was, so why on earth would he keep them? He admits to being complicit in covering it up, but you don't believe it because he didn't keep evidence for a later date? Again it feels like you don't really understand what child grooming is, and that victims of it are not "hiding things away looking for a way out". They often want to protect the abuser and Wade Robson talks about this constantly throughout the entire 4 hour show. To say that you find it odd that he didn't keep evidence only shows that you weren't actually listening, or were unwilling to listen.

My honest advice would be to read up (properly, academically) on the psychology of child grooming. Not for the purposes of being convinced in this case, just because it's clear that you don't understand it or how it works and it's something that everyone should be aware of.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Joey he had no interest in keeping evidence or proof of what they were doing, he was as invested in keeping it a secret as MJ was, so why on earth would he keep them? He admits to being complicit in covering it up, but you don't believe it because he didn't keep evidence for a later date? Again it feels like you don't really understand what child grooming is, and that victims of it are not "hiding things away looking for a way out". They often want to protect the abuser and Wade Robson talks about this constantly throughout the entire 4 hour show. To say that you find it odd that he didn't keep evidence only shows that you weren't actually listening, or were unwilling to listen.

My honest advice would be to read up (properly, academically) on the psychology of child grooming. Not for the purposes of being convinced in this case, just because it's clear that you don't understand it or how it works and it's something that everyone should be aware of.

+1

[Beso]

Rumour has it Michael aint dead....he memo.

[Kazanne]

His albums are apparently climbing up the charts ,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainm...cid=spartanntp

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

His albums are apparently climbing up the charts ,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainm...cid=spartanntp

All publicity is good publicity, as the saying goes .

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

All publicity is good publicity, as the saying goes .

More money for people to extort from the estate.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

All publicity is good publicity, as the saying goes .

Was always going to happen....his die hard fans were always going to show their support this way

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

His albums are apparently climbing up the charts ,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainm...cid=spartanntp

Thankfully he's dead so can't personally gain

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

More money for people to extort from the estate.

I mean in theory they could just give them the money from these sales since it wouldn't have been generated without them. Win/win?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean in theory they could just give them the money from these sales since it wouldn't have been generated without them. Win/win?

Yep,easy money ,they knew that.

[Tony Montana]

I don't know if this has been posted already (I can't be bothered to go back to previous pages) but his sister La Toya even called him a ''paedophile'' in an interview from the 90s. She later retracted it


https://inews.co.uk/culture/televisi...d-allegations/

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

I don't know if this has been posted already (I can't be bothered to go back to previous pages) but his sister La Toya even called him a ''paedophile'' in an interview from the 90s. She later retracted it


https://inews.co.uk/culture/televisi...d-allegations/

Yes it's old news Tony,I don't think she knows her arse from her elbow,lol

She later claimed that she made the 1993 allegations because her then husband Jack Gordon forced her to and she took back everything she'd said. so I don't think she is very creditable either.She also said he was murdered and contacted him from beyond the grave,lol. daft woman

[Crimson Dynamo]

When Kaz told me last year she was doing some freelance PR for The Jacksons I stupidly thought of Glenda

Now its all falling into place...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Joey he had no interest in keeping evidence or proof of what they were doing, he was as invested in keeping it a secret as MJ was, so why on earth would he keep them? He admits to being complicit in covering it up, but you don't believe it because he didn't keep evidence for a later date? Again it feels like you don't really understand what child grooming is, and that victims of it are not "hiding things away looking for a way out". They often want to protect the abuser and Wade Robson talks about this constantly throughout the entire 4 hour show. To say that you find it odd that he didn't keep evidence only shows that you weren't actually listening, or were unwilling to listen.

My honest advice would be to read up (properly, academically) on the psychology of child grooming. Not for the purposes of being convinced in this case, just because it's clear that you don't understand it or how it works and it's something that everyone should be aware of.

Goodness me.
I've read all there is to know on child grooming thank you.
Don't be so assuming I haven't.
I've dealt with those affected by child grooming too.


I was actually asked for what evidence could there have been.
I gave an instance.

So I answered that particular question.

You can hold to the view all you wish, he wanted to cover up all for Jackson.

I'll hold to my view he didn't, as I'm not convinced there was anything to cover up.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

When Kaz told me last year she was doing some freelance PR for The Jacksons I stupidly thought of Glenda

Now its all falling into place...

Good work if you can get it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Good work if you can get it

you certainly cant Beat it

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you certainly cant Beat it

It can be a Thriller sometimes

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't see it as a laughing matter at all for anyone concerned and Parmys avatar which is supposed to be funny is all over FB,didn't even make me smile,

I knew I shouldn't have posted it....sorry Kaz.

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes it's old news Tony,I don't think she knows her arse from her elbow,lol

She later claimed that she made the 1993 allegations because her then husband Jack Gordon forced her to and she took back everything she'd said. so I don't think she is very creditable either.

Thank you Kazanne, I figured it may have been discussed already on here, but i didn't have the time to go all the way back to previous pages. I'd only just read about it today

Seems bizarre that her Husband would force her to do something like that

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I knew I shouldn't have posted it....sorry Kaz.

You don't need to be Parmy, it's all over FB I was even sent it in a text,no offence taken from you.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Goodness me.
I've read all there is to know on child grooming thank you.

That is a bold and patently false statement there Joey. The world's foremost experts on child grooming wouldn't claim to know all there is to know about it and the idea that you do is just bizarre and I can only assume reactionary because you're feeling questioned. Surely you can appreciate that it's an outlandish claim.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes it's old news Tony,I don't think she knows her arse from her elbow,lol

She later claimed that she made the 1993 allegations because her then husband Jack Gordon forced her to and she took back everything she'd said. so I don't think she is very creditable either.She also said he was murdered and contacted him from beyond the grave,lol. daft woman

I reckon if MJ had come out himself and admitted it you'd probably say he was coerced or something Kaz