[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

True.
I think if they actually do manage to stop Brexit like they want.Many people will just disengage from politics all together.
Plus it won’t be the end of it.We’ll be getting Brexit parties for the next twenty or more years.
I’m in the ‘just vote for May’s crappy deal’ camp now since the EU are playing hardball and there’s no better option.

I'm surprised, as a leaver why don't you want no deal?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

No Deal Brexit here it comes, omg can't wait for all the drama about uk in our news shows

those who voted remain are Always welcome to still come on holiday within our EU borders though

How you going to enforce this?

Maybe have in our passports ‘remainer’ and ‘Brexiteer’.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

No Deal Brexit here it comes, omg can't wait for all the drama about uk in our news shows

those who voted remain are Always welcome to still come on holiday within our EU borders though

Yeah. You don’t really know what you’re on about, do you Nicky sweetie?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Yeah. You don’t really know what you’re on about, do you Nicky sweetie?

we're getting rid of the weak link within the EU, now Hungary next out of our EU pls


we don't need troublemakers in our strong europe

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

How you going to enforce this?

Maybe have in our passports ‘remainer’ and ‘Brexiteer’.

You will be waving your blue passport around like a badge of honour Monkey

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'm surprised, as a leaver why don't you want no deal?

I did used to think that was a good idea but seeing the incompetence of our politicians I don’t think they could make a success of it.
The deal seems like the best option now.
Also i was/am a leaver but not a passionate one.
Just bored of the stasis we’re in now.
If there was another ref.I’m not sure how i’d vote now.Remain would have a 50% chance.
Edit:Or i’d just boycott a second ref.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I did used to think that was a good idea but seeing the incompetence of our politicians I don’t think they could make a success of it.
The deal seems like the best option now.
Also i was/am a leaver but not a passionate one.
Just bored of the stasis we’re in now.
If there was another ref.I’m not sure how i’d vote now.Remain would have a 50% chance.
Edit:Or i’d just boycott a second ref.

I get that, I think we are all bored and at this stage if the Irish border wasn't so heavily involved I would say no deal and just go with it (and I am a remainer lol), I think the idea that the UK were ever going to be in the driving seat in negotiations was fallacy 27 v 1, its a huge bloc

I can't even remember what the problem is with the deal, is it just the backstop?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I get that, I think we are all bored and at this stage if the Irish border wasn't so heavily involved I would say no deal and just go with it (and I am a remainer lol), I think the idea that the UK were ever going to be in the driving seat in negotiations was fallacy 27 v 1, its a huge bloc

I can't even remember what the problem is with the deal, is it just the backstop?

there were a number of issues with a legally ambiguous possible outcome .... no surprise there.

What people must remember is that this deal only covers the transition period. If we do truly want to leave, its a no brainer. Sure, there may be some things that could be better, but they can be negotiated for the next 100 years if need be ... so what. Any deal will always be renegotiated over time. It's just people playing politics, and they arent even good at that, which is what bores and annoys me in equal measure.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I get that, I think we are all bored and at this stage if the Irish border wasn't so heavily involved I would say no deal and just go with it (and I am a remainer lol), I think the idea that the UK were ever going to be in the driving seat in negotiations was fallacy 27 v 1, its a huge bloc

I can't even remember what the problem is with the deal, is it just the backstop?

For the hard Brexit side of the Tories(ERG) it’s the possibility that we as a country can’t unilaterally leave the backstop.We could be held prisoner indefinitely.We can only leave it with EU agreement.Obviously from the hard remainer side it’s the fact that they don’t want any Brexit and will do everything they can to stop it.
Labour erm....I don’t know.
They’re just being awkward.Corbyn wants power but they have no definitive position.
A customs union....something something.....general election.....

As I understand it anyway.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there were a number of issues with a legally ambiguous possible outcome .... no surprise there.

What people must remember is that this deal only covers the transition period. If we do truly want to leave, its a no brainer. Sure, there may be some things that could be better, but they can be negotiated for the next 100 years if need be ... so what. Any deal will always be renegotiated over time. It's just people playing politics, and they arent even good at that, which is what bores and annoys me in equal measure.

Yes, that is it, sorry I have brain fog from too much Brexit news, and you have been saying it for some time, get the deal done then, it is in the MPs hand, May is quite correct in putting the blame on them I feel, back her or sack her, they had the chance to and they bottled it because no one wanted the job, so now they have to back her

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

For the hard Brexit side of the Tories(ERG) it’s the possibility that we as a country can’t unilaterally leave the backstop.We could be held prisoner indefinitely.We can only leave it with EU agreement.Obviously from the hard remainer side it’s the fact that they don’t want any Brexit and will do everything they can to stop it.
Labour erm....I don’t know.
They’re just being awkward.Corbyn wants power but they have no definitive position.
A customs union....something something.....general election.....

As I understand it anyway.

Yes they have all been playing politics and I don't think the public will forget that easily, the lib dems are still in the wilderness

[bots]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

For the hard Brexit side of the Tories(ERG) it’s the possibility that we as a country can’t unilaterally leave the backstop.We could be held prisoner indefinitely.We can only leave it with EU agreement.Obviously from the hard remainer side it’s the fact that they don’t want any Brexit and will do everything they can to stop it.
Labour erm....I don’t know.
They’re just being awkward.Corbyn wants power but they have no definitive position.
A customs union....something something.....general election.....

As I understand it anyway.

they want a customs union, and a safeguard on workers rights ... thats my understanding.

The best way to protect workers rights is to get an electable labour party, and if they are not in the EU, they can protect workers without permission from the EU .... its basically saying ... the EU would do it better than the labour party, which is astonishing.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by reece(:

You post the same thing every day and do not contribute to the thread..

is this not considered spamming?

But is that not what May is doing?

Spamming parliament with the same deal, over and over and over again?

Anyway, my little ditty is such an infectious ear worm, especially how it is predicting most likely outcome, whether we wish it or not.

I am just reminding you all of the default position, which has not changed.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes they have all been playing politics and I don't think the public will forget that easily, the lib dems are still in the wilderness

you guys could've already had a deal many many times, but parliament decided to be a bunch of clowns and be against their common enemy namely your PM May


that parliament doesn't think about the british public in general, cause if they did they would've already accepted a deal tbh

so it will be on them, the consequences of no deal brexit within uk

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

For anyone interested, a petition to revoke A50

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

Already past the consideration for debate stage, but it's there if anyone wants to add on to it.

When I posted this, it was on about 150k signatures, I checked it before I went to sleep and it was about 250k, checked it a short while ago and it was over 600k and now the site has crashed.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

When I posted this, it was on about 150k signatures, I checked it before I went to sleep and it was about 250k, checked it a short while ago and it was over 600k and now the site has crashed.

The power of TiBB

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The power of TiBB

Probably LT and Alf setting up multiple accounts to try and revoke it

It's been down most of the morning but it's now approaching 800k

[bots]

Its a bit redundant to force a debate on revoking article 50. If MP's want to revoke it, you can be sure it will be debated this week, it's not something that isn't in the minds of mp's

[MTVN]

A petition backed by all of the faces who had been pretending to care about holding another referendum for the sake of ‘democracy’ have been sharing a new petition entitled 'Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.’ They’re not even bothering to pretend to be democrats any more…

The petition saw a suspicious jump in signatures last night, with blatantly fake signatures arising everywhere from Russia, to Afghanistan, to North Korea. Tens of thousands of signatures have also come from EU states including Jean Claude Juncker’s tiny Luxembourg…

https://order-order.com/2019/03/21/f...ke-signatures/

[bots]

Revoking article 50 at the moment has a 33% chance of being carried out, and the closer we get to next Friday, the more likely it will become. If May's deal gets voted down (again) or not allowed to be re-submitted, it then becomes 50/50

[Cherie]

I don't think we should revoke it at this stage

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A petition backed by all of the faces who had been pretending to care about holding another referendum for the sake of ‘democracy’ have been sharing a new petition entitled 'Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.’ They’re not even bothering to pretend to be democrats any more…

The petition saw a suspicious jump in signatures last night, with blatantly fake signatures arising everywhere from Russia, to Afghanistan, to North Korea. Tens of thousands of signatures have also come from EU states including Jean Claude Juncker’s tiny Luxembourg…

https://order-order.com/2019/03/21/f...ke-signatures/

Are there any statistics on the numbers of fake vs genuine? Of course there are fake sigs out there as there would be with most polls, but current location isn't a key indicator of anything.

Just out of interest, what isn't democratic about trying to revoke A50?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Are there any statistics on the numbers of fake vs genuine? Of course there are fake sigs out there as there would be with most polls, but current location isn't a key indicator of anything.

Just out of interest, what isn't democratic about trying to revoke A50?

Not as far as I know but this reminds me of when a petition for a second referendum just after the vote got 2m signatures or something but then thousands of them were found to be fake

Revoking article 50 without even having a public vote on it? How is that democratic? At least before the argument was that 'it needs to go back to the people' rather than just 'cancel Brexit'

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't think we should revoke it at this stage

i would rather revoke than go no deal, and push the thing back to a referendum

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i would rather revoke than go no deal, and push the thing back to a referendum

that would be okay, but to revoke it without a plan about what to do if it was revoked would be as bad as anything we have seen so far