[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Correct.

Thought so

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think Mokka's point (and I agree with her) is that many if not most Catholics will not follow those sorts of technicalities and will go with a broad "if the pope said it then that's what my religion says is right and I will go with that".

Being frank; it's not people in coutries / states where the population is generally philosophically and theologically aware that are at risk. It's women in places where the religion is devout, dogmatic and basic and what the pope says will be taken as gospel, full stop.

Give people some credit. Those who follow things to the letter probably simply agree with it. The church is not the police

[Twosugars]

Tbh unless we can come up with better starting point of human life than conception I cant see how we can avoid branding abortion murder. And as such it can only be justified if mothers life was in danger.

The whole solution to unwanted pregnancies needs to be firmly shifted to avoiding conception.
As a gay man I find it astonishing women often are bamboozled by men and let them not use the condom or cum inside as if it was some sort of God given right. Men bleat oh, with condom it's not the same or I cant help cumming. Like wtf? As if cumming outside wasnt more fun anyway
Women seem to be not empowered enough to put these conditions on sex and then must resort to killing fetuses.
I know there are other circumstances like rape etc but my impression (maybe wrong) is that there's no equal sharing of the burden of avoiding pregnancy. Women are getting shafted.
Now tell me how wrong I am

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Tbh unless we can come up with better starting point of human life than conception I cant see how we can avoid branding abortion murder. And as such it can only be justified if mothers life was in danger.

The whole solution to unwanted pregnancies needs to be firmly shifted to avoiding conception.
As a gay man I find it astonishing women often are bamboozled by men and let them not use the condom or cum inside as if it was some sort of God given right. Men bleat oh, with condom it's not the same or I cant help cumming. Like wtf? As if cumming outside wasnt more fun anyway
Women seem to be not empowered enough to put these conditions on sex and then must resort to killing fetuses.
I know there are other circumstances like rape etc but my impression (maybe wrong) is that there's no equal sharing of the burden of avoiding pregnancy. Women are getting shafted.
Now tell me how wrong I am

Ok, I'm done.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

An opinion on an opinion is different to trying to invalidate it.

In my opinion his opinion is invalid

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Tbh unless we can come up with better starting point of human life than conception I cant see how we can avoid branding abortion murder. And as such it can only be justified if mothers life was in danger.

The whole solution to unwanted pregnancies needs to be firmly shifted to avoiding conception.
As a gay man I find it astonishing women often are bamboozled by men and let them not use the condom or cum inside as if it was some sort of God given right. Men bleat oh, with condom it's not the same or I cant help cumming. Like wtf? As if cumming outside wasnt more fun anyway
Women seem to be not empowered enough to put these conditions on sex and then must resort to killing fetuses.
I know there are other circumstances like rape etc but my impression (maybe wrong) is that there's no equal sharing of the burden of avoiding pregnancy. Women are getting shafted.
Now tell me how wrong I am

There are cases where condoms dont work... it's not fully proof.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Mokka

There are cases where condoms dont work... it's not fully proof.

Then for once mens obsession with porn would come in handy, do it like in the movies and pull out first and then shoot

[Mokka]

Also, doesnt the catholic church still frown on any form of birth control as well?
We all see how abstinence works among their own leadership, but that's the only option they are allowing here.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Then for once mens obsession with porn would come in handy, do it like in the movies and pull out first and then shoot

My friend got pregnant twice using the pull out method... that is the most laughable form of birth control I know of

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Mokka

My friend got pregnant twice using the pull out method... that is the most laughable form of birth control I know of

Anal then?

Whatever I suggest seems wrongthere must be a better way than killing fetuses

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Mokka

My friend got pregnant twice using the pull out method... that is the most laughable form of birth control I know of

Clearly they didn't do it right

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Anal then?

Whatever I suggest seems wrongthere must be a better way than killing fetuses

They aren't fetuses when abortion happens... they are a cell mass

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

In my opinion his opinion is invalid

Was that before or after his opinion didn't match your own.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Then for once mens obsession with porn would come in handy, do it like in the movies and pull out first and then shoot

That's still not a fool proof method.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Mokka

They aren't fetuses when abortion happens... they are a cell mass

I'd need to verify that

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Was that before or after his opinion didn't match your own.

That was ever since he harboured criminals

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Then for once mens obsession with porn would come in handy, do it like in the movies and pull out first and then shoot

:/

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Also, doesnt the catholic church still frown on any form of birth control as well?
We all see how abstinence works among their own leadership, but that's the only option they are allowing here.

rather than having abortions .... have fun with little boys seems to be the popes message