[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that's not the way it works Arista, if the Scottish people make clear that they want a referendum, they will have one whether Boris wants it or not.

But they are not

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

No its the Former UK PM fault
Johnson says you can talk
only when you take away the backstop
He talking Tough.

The EU will not change
that's their one chance

EU cannot compromise the security of the common market bc johnson needs to keep his hardliners happy

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

"As to Scotland.
If this PM continues with his Cabinet, down the hard no deal brexit road, and that comes about."


Joey this PM Johnson
is not giving Scotland a 2nd Vote on Independence.

The Scottish
are part of GB.

The wise thing would be to let the second referendum happen. People dont take kindly to being denied like that. The brexit issue is a massive change in circumstances

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The wise thing would be to let the second referendum happen. People dont take kindly to being denied like that. The brexit issue is a massive change in circumstances

Brexit is first

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

EU cannot compromise the security of the common market bc johnson needs to keep his hardliners happy

Yes we all know they will not change


It's not just his Members
It is Johnson , own Views

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...for James...bringing this onto a new page...

It was ignored the first time because no one likes Scottish Tory propaganda so hopefully it'll be ignored again. I'll say this much though James: it's a rare quick glimpse of an admin political stance that's certainly cleared up a LOT of other questions I had previously.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It was ignored the first time because no one likes Scottish Tory propaganda so hopefully it'll be ignored again. I'll say this much though James: it's a rare quick glimpse of an admin political stance that's certainly cleared up a LOT of other questions I had previously.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

The Scottish
are part of GB.

Scotland will always be part of GB, barring an earthquake or meteor strike. GB is the "island mass" which has England, Wales, and Scotland.

They're not gonna leave the UK any time soon either, but still

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It was ignored the first time because no one likes Scottish Tory propaganda so hopefully it'll be ignored again. I'll say this much though James: it's a rare quick glimpse of an admin political stance that's certainly cleared up a LOT of other questions I had previously.

What.

What previous questions. I don't post about politics on here much. The Scottish Independence debate is about the only political subject I have strong views about.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by James

What.



What previous questions. I don't post about politics on here much. The Scottish Independence debate is about the only political subject I have strong views about.

It wasn't a reasoned or considered view James, the idea that everything the SNP does is some sort of nefarious independence plot is paranoid cereal box propaganda, and it somewhat explains why the moderation team has repeatedly expressed that their "hands are tied" when it comes to dealing with similar things.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Scotland will always be part of GB, barring an earthquake or meteor strike. GB is the "island mass" which has England, Wales, and Scotland.

They're not gonna leave the UK any time soon either, but still

Ironically in the geological past most of Scotland was attached to what is now north America and England and Wales was a part of Europe.
The Channel only appeared 10 thousand years ago or so and before that the Thames was a tributary of the prehistoric Rhine which flowed north along what is now the North Sea bed

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Ironically in the geological past most of Scotland was attached to what is now north America and England and Wales was a part of Europe.
The Channel only appeared 10 thousand years ago or so and before that the Thames was a tributary of the prehistoric Rhine which flowed north along what is now the North Sea bed

haha this reminds me of something from when I was veeeeery young

I think Hong Kong had either just become independent or it was one of its early anniversaries, there was a thing on the news about it followed immediately with footage from the Titanic's departure (or some ship anyway) and the two things mushed into one in my young mind, so I thought Hong Kong was literally being waved off as it left the mainland to become independent ...

[arista]

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It wasn't a reasoned or considered view James, the idea that everything the SNP does is some sort of nefarious independence plot is paranoid cereal box propaganda, and it somewhat explains why the moderation team has repeatedly expressed that their "hands are tied" when it comes to dealing with similar things.

I was joking a bit when I said 'considered' because I was trying to stop people arguing on the forum.

The whole reason for the SNP's existence is to get independence, and I genuinely think that a big part of their pro-EU position is to contrast with the English right-wing. If Scotland became independent I bet you a lot of SNP politicians would become Eurosceptic.

No idea what you are on about with the moderation team.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"As to Scotland.
If this PM continues with his Cabinet, down the hard no deal brexit road, and that comes about."


Joey this PM Johnson
is not giving Scotland a 2nd Vote on Independence.

The Scottish
are part of GB.

He won't really morally or politically refuse to, without causing a near constitutional crisis also over it.

If the Scots swing strongly behind the SNP and its clear the Scottish Nation wants a new vote.

He really will ignore that and deny granting it too, with dire likely political consequences for him, his Party and the UK Parliament even.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by James

I was joking a bit when I said 'considered' because I was trying to stop people arguing on the forum.



The whole reason for the SNP's existence is to get independence, and I genuinely think that a big part of their pro-EU position is to contrast with the English right-wing. If Scotland became independent I bet you a lot of SNP politicians would become Eurosceptic.



No idea what you are on about with the moderation team.

10 years ago under Salmond maybe, and they have a slat to the agenda in Westminster obviously, but they've been in active government in Scotland for a significant period of time now and to describe them as a one-policy party is really off the mark. Just totally inaccurate, and quite obviously so.

Also the idea that "the SNP don't represent the views of many people up here" is bizarre given the outcome of the recent EU elections, and the fact that that they've formed a government in the last two Scottish general elections? Who are you suggesting is MORE representative?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

haha this reminds me of something from when I was veeeeery young

I think Hong Kong had either just become independent or it was one of its early anniversaries, there was a thing on the news about it followed immediately with footage from the Titanic's departure (or some ship anyway) and the two things mushed into one in my young mind, so I thought Hong Kong was literally being waved off as it left the mainland to become independent ...

[arista]

Today Johnson PM
is in Northern Ireland.

[arista]

Arlene Foster DUP Leader
in Belfast, went Live on GMBHD itv , BBC1AM and SkyNewsHD
she said its not about money
and she stands with Johnson PM
on removing the Backstop.


GMBHD itv also had Live from Belfast
the Blonde Sinn Fein Co-Leader

[Twosugars]

Any future US-UK trade deal would almost certainly be blocked by the US Congress if Brexit affects the Irish border and jeopardises peace in Northern Ireland, congressional leaders and diplomats have warned.

Pete King, the Republican co-chair of the Friends of Ireland group, said the threat to abandon the backstop and endanger the open border was a “needless provocation”, adding that his party would have no compunction about defying Trump over the issue.

“I would think anyone who has a strong belief in Northern Ireland and the Good Friday agreement the open border would certainly be willing to go against the president,” King said.

In the event of a hard Brexit, in the absence of guarantees for the Northern Ireland agreement, the strength of sentiment among Irish Americans – a tenth of the population, many of them in swing states – could make it an issue in next year’s presidential and congressional elections.

Oop

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Today Johnson PM
is in Northern Ireland.

I see he is trying to woo back all those that jumped ship at Mrs May's dementia tax

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I see he is trying to woo back all those that jumped ship at Mrs May's dementia tax

Sure
every vote counts

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

.....Also the idea that "the SNP don't represent the views of many people up here" is bizarre given the outcome of the recent EU elections, and the fact that that they've formed a government in the last two Scottish general elections? Who are you suggesting is MORE representative?

I've checked the results and they got 38% in the last European election and 37% in the 2017 UK parliament election. The most votes of any party, but quite a bit short of half.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It was ignored the first time because no one likes Scottish Tory propaganda so hopefully it'll be ignored again.....

Going back to this... the Liberal Democrats and Labour are unionist parties also, and the Labour party has the most most left-wing leader they have had in many years. So anti-independence is not just a Scottish Tory thing.

[arista]

[arista]

[Sajid Javid is announcing an emergency spending
blitz of more than £2bn to prepare
for a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.
In a major policy shift after he succeeded
pro-Remain Philip Hammond as chancellor,
there will be an immediate Brexit cash boost of £1.1bn.
Leading Tory Brexiteers have claimed
Mr Hammond, who has now vowed to
oppose no-deal from the back benches,
"handicapped" preparation.]

https://news.sky.com/story/no-deal-b...boost-11774392


Bloody Phil.