[Liam-]

Everything he does is tasteless, but that definitely takes the cake, he’s a ghoul

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Trump insisted that a baby who was left an orphan by the shootings be brought to the hospital for a picture. Does anyone else find this completely tasteless?

Spoiler:

No he can do what every other President does.
Not a problem.

The Shooter did not follow Trump
he liked Warren.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The shooter: is openly calling himself a leftist, has his pronouns in his twitter bio, supports Elizabeth Warren.

Certain people: yeah but it's still Trump's fault.

Well, if he lifted measures for, well, stopping mentally ill people getting access to guns, and then a mentally ill person goes a shooting, then surely he needs to take some blame? (and certainly not be all..well people like him shouldn't have a gun, why is there no measures in place, will get right to it!)

Even if the shooter was a leftie apparently, if they were mentally ill, then regardless of their politicial views, the person who basically allowed them to have the gun, is (partially) responsible IMO.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Trump insisted that a baby who was left an orphan by the shootings be brought to the hospital for a picture. Does anyone else find this completely tasteless?

Spoiler:

That kind of **** is always tasteless I think, regardless of who it is thats explotiing the orphaned kid in question for a photoshoot opportunity. Seem something else thats a lot more common than it should be really..

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

No he can do what every other President does.
Not a problem.

The Shooter did not follow Trump
he liked Warren.

I can’t remember any other President using an orphan who’s parents died in a mass shooting as a photo op like they’re meeting Mickey Mouse at Disneyland, it’s appalling

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well, if he lifted measures for, well, stopping mentally ill people getting access to guns, and then a mentally ill person goes a shooting, then surely he needs to take some blame? (and certainly not be all..well people like him shouldn't have a gun, why is there no measures in place, will get right to it!)

Even if the shooter was a leftie apparently, if they were mentally ill, then regardless of their politicial views, the person who basically allowed them to have the gun, is (partially) responsible IMO.

By that logic we can blame Obama for the shootings which happened under his presidency.

I know people point to Trump lifting some regulations, but (as far as I know) that only applied to older people who needed help with their pension, not all people with mental issues.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The shooter: is openly calling himself a leftist, has his pronouns in his twitter bio, supports Elizabeth Warren.

Certain people: yeah but it's still Trump's fault.

But forum members in this thread assured me that it was Right wing, White supremacists, are you trying to tell me that they jumped to conclusions too soon and was wrong?

Who'd have thunk it?

Like other members, I've lost interest in the story now.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

By that logic we can blame Obama for the shootings which happened under his presidency.

We can indeed if Obama lifted restrictions on mentally ill people purchasing guns or anything similar to make it even more lax to get weapons? Not sure if he did, don't really keep up with American politics but also certainly do not think Obama is this god like figure many see him as either

I think any President who does nothing about gun regulation, can be blamed somewhat when the mass shootings occur really. However, there is MORE blame to go round, IF (as seems to have happened with Trump) measures that were put in place specifically to safeguard against mentally ill people getting weapons, were lifted, and then a mentally ill person does a large shootout..common sense?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I can’t remember any other President using an orphan who’s parents died in a mass shooting as a photo op like they’re meeting Mickey Mouse at Disneyland, it’s appalling

That was the most rancid thing I have ever seen... there is just no human emotion from these two, they're like droids :/

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

We can indeed if Obama lifted restrictions on mentally ill people purchasing guns or anything similar to make it even more lax to get weapons?

Those restrictions didn't apply to all mentally ill people, only elderly people who had trouble with their pensions.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

But forum members in this thread assured me that it was Right wing, White supremacists, are you trying to tell me that they jumped to conclusions too soon and was wrong?

Who'd have thunk it?

Like other members, I've lost interest in the story now.

The difference, is that he wasn't shooting people having left a manifesto talking about free healthcare and affordable education. It's not the political leaning of a person that tells us the situation, because folks from the left and right have been killing people with guns as long as they've had them available, but when explains in detail why he's doing what he's doing, and he's parroting the language of the trump, then it's fairly obvious what hs motivations were.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Those restrictions didn't apply to all mentally ill people, only elderly people who had trouble with their pensions.

Thats just simply..not true though? Not sure why you are posting that as its obvious, provable bollocks

[Vicky.]

Really really do not get why high powered guns are not, simply, disallowed. Let people keep their handguns for 'protection' given theres such uproar whever guns are mentioned as apparently everyone needs them for self defence, guns that fire loads of rounds and such, theres surely no need for if the excuse is 'but if someone broke into my house' or whatever.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Really really do not get why high powered guns are not, simply, disallowed. Let people keep their handguns for 'protection' given theres such uproar whever guns are mentioned as apparently everyone needs them for self defence, guns that fire loads of rounds and such, theres surely no need for if the excuse is 'but if someone broke into my house' or whatever.

.

The only reason that makes sense as to why they're not, is money

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

.

The only reason that makes sense as to why they're not, is money

Well yes, obviously its the gun lobby and cash. But, what reason is sold to the public for that one? Can't really see anything..as the public surely do not care about gun companies making cash...so? There has to be a 'its for your protection!!!' type reason being thrown about, but protection just does not work with weapons like that that really, only the army should bloody have

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

But forum members in this thread assured me that it was Right wing, White supremacists, are you trying to tell me that they jumped to conclusions too soon and was wrong?

Who'd have thunk it?

Like other members, I've lost interest in the story now.

He was far right

All that bollocks about supporting Warren is a smoke screen.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats just simply..not true though? Not sure why you are posting that as its obvious, provable bollocks

[GiRTh]

Obama tried many times too change gun laws but was blocked every time by a pissy congress.

US Republicans attack Obama gun control move

Why Obama is powerless to reform gun laws

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

He was far right

All that bollocks about supporting Warren is a smoke screen.

Source?

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats just simply..not true though? Not sure why you are posting that as its obvious, provable bollocks

My aplogies, I did make a slight mistake - the ban was for anyone on government assisted finance, not just pensions

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Source?



My aplogies, I did make a slight mistake - the ban was for anyone on government assisted finance, not just pensions

Common sense is my source. His actions and his words dont match up.
Especially if he asks not to connect him with trump.

Tell me when Warren attacked immigrants like trump has?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Common sense is my source. His actions and his words dont match up.
Especially if he asks not to connect him with trump.

Tell me when Warren attacked immigrants like trump has?

You can be left wing while being racist and/or against immigration.

Elizabeth Warren isn't a religion, no-one's claiming he based his every move based on things she's said. But the fact remains that he has voiced support for her and against Trump.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You can be left wing while being racist and/or against immigration.

Elizabeth Warren isn't a religion, no-one's claiming he based his every move based on things she's said. But the fact remains that he has voiced support for her and against Trump.

Bc he is a good far right boy and learned their methods of disinformation, Oliver.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Bc he is a good far right boy and learned their methods of disinformation, Oliver.

Are you going to point to something specific, or are you just making things up?

[Twosugars]

About his manifesto

Much of the document centered on his belief that the Democrats are trying to “own America”. It reads: “They intend to use open borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship and more to enact a political coup by importing and then legalizing millions of new voters.”

His language mirrors Trump’s. The president has used the term “open borders” on Twitter 57 times to falsely describe Democrats’ stance on immigration. Though Democrats’ opinions on border security policy vary widely, mainstream opinion does not include opening borders.

And you try to tell us he "supports" Warren

[Beso]

Trump's just an easy target for people to deflect the attention away from thier own devious motives.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

About his manifesto



And you try to tell us he "supports" Warren

You can be racist and against open borders while being left wing.