[Ammi]

...I just can’t get on board with podiumgate, as it’s being called...just because I think it brings us down to a level of...’haha Boris, that showed you’ of personal satisfaction, type thing ...when there is a much bigger picture to focus on...his voice does represent to the world the voice of this country atm...(...however we may feel about that or his methods...)...so a drowning of his voice is a drowning of our own voice, surely...?...especially at a time when we so much need to be seen with huge credibility/respect etc, to secure trading....to contribute to/take satisfaction in etc of the U.K. voice being laughed at as the ‘incredible sulk’...just seems really counterproductive to me to hoping that Brexit can deliver us safely as a country and with valued trade...it’s all quite scary...

[Kazanne]

The Luxembourg PM was grandstanding ,and they could have taken those talks inside easily but he chose not to let the PM make his point and humiliate him,those pathetic people who can find nothing better to do than try and stop people talking and giving us their view need to shut up and let others who want to hear the PMs views be heard

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The Luxembourg PM was grandstanding ,and they could have taken those talks inside easily but he chose not to let the PM make his point and humiliate him,those pathetic people who can find nothing better to do than try and stop people talking and giving us their view need to shut up and let others who want to hear the PMs views be heard

well Juncker is a professional, he also was the president of european commission

he has dealt with a lot of the brexit chaos during his reign at the EU either

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

He reaps what he sowed

Yes he does.

He walked off, he was the wimp.
A what if here sorry, for it.
Had Corbyn walked off refusing to do a press conference.
He would rightly be slaughtered for it, likely led by those making every excuse they can for Johnson.
Actually I'd be hammering him myself too.
They would be and they know they would be.

Quite what this extreme Con party and our media would have said too would have been nearer unprintable.
I'm completely sure of that too.

Today, unbelievably, we have a UK PM accused in court of serious political and constitutional actions being questionable.
The fact we are even at such a point is worrying and revealing.

No matter the judgement this week.
For or against the case brought.
It should bring shame to any PM, we are even at this point.
Because of his actions.

In light of the time frame and the unresolved issues of brexit.
Had this PM really believed in unifying in any way and not just round one extreme position.
Then this Parliament was only elected 2 years ago, A YEAR later than the referendum
This was the Parliament elected as it is.

Any moral, decent and right PM would have asked Parliament if it agreed to be prorogued for so long.
He didn't, that speaks volumes.

For me, it leaves him not worthy of a scrap of respect.
None at all.
He'll for sure get no respect from me.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I just can’t get on board with podiumgate, as it’s being called...just because I think it brings us down to a level of...’haha Boris, that showed you’ of personal satisfaction, type thing ...when there is a much bigger picture to focus on...his voice does represent to the world the voice of this country atm...(...however we may feel about that or his methods...)...so a drowning of his voice is a drowning of our own voice, surely...?...especially at a time when we so much need to be seen with huge credibility/respect etc, to secure trading....to contribute to/take satisfaction in etc of the U.K. voice being laughed at as the ‘incredible sulk’...just seems really counterproductive to me to hoping that Brexit can deliver us safely as a country and with valued trade...it’s all quite scary...

agree with this, I don't get all the ha ha ...no show... we want to hear him.... this is the equivalent of him shutting down parliament, so don't know why people are championing it as a good thing

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

well Juncker is a professional, he also was the president of european commission

he has dealt with a lot of the brexit chaos during his reign at the EU either

He was still rude,it does not matter what you think of our PM, he asked to move the talks inside but was refused ,had it been anyone else people would have been in an uproar,but its ok if its someone you don't like. The 'shouters used music,megaphones anything to disrupt him,does Junker forget we contribute millions to the EU every year,I'm glad he walked away,I'de have done the same, he didn't run away as some like to think,he asked for it to go inside and was refused,no point in talking outside to a hysterical crowd.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

He was still rude,it does not matter what you think of our PM, he asked to move the talks inside but was refused ,had it been anyone else people would have been in an uproar,but its ok if its someone you don't like. The 'shouters used music,megaphones anything to disrupt him,does Junker forget we contribute millions to the EU every year,I'm glad he walked away,I'de have done the same, he didn't run away as some like to think,he asked for it to go inside and was refused,no point in talking outside to a hysterical crowd.

are u forgetting the behaviour of the british representative in european parliament with their rude trolling during the anthem of europe

as for the hysterical crowd, well people are pretty much sick and tired of the UK taking so long to leave the EU


and everyone contributes something to the EU, just some countries more than others

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

He was still rude,it does not matter what you think of our PM, he asked to move the talks inside but was refused ,had it been anyone else people would have been in an uproar,but its ok if its someone you don't like. The 'shouters used music,megaphones anything to disrupt him,does Junker forget we contribute millions to the EU every year,I'm glad he walked away,I'de have done the same, he didn't run away as some like to think,he asked for it to go inside and was refused,no point in talking outside to a hysterical crowd.

Except he wasn't needing to talk to the crowd.
It was a press conference with over 100 journalists.

With likely questions asked, as in all other Countries afterwards.

Yes, we contribute millions to the EU, we get millions back too via rebate and regional aid.

If he can't be bothered to do a press conference because of opposition to him by fellow Brits there.
Then his chances of getting any deal looks a near no hoper.
To get a deal HE needs the support of all the 27 other EU Nations.
If one refuses, he fails.
Yes, HE fails.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

are u forgetting the behaviour of the british representative in european parliament with their rude trolling during the anthem of europe

as for the hysterical crowd, well people are pretty much sick and tired of the UK taking so long to leave the EU


and everyone contributes something to the EU, just some countries more than others

I'm not forgetting anything,I don't like rudeness , I am the same over Trump , people show themselves up imo when they try and humiliate other people whoever it is. Boris Johnson is trying to honour the will of the people who voted to leave and if he is not allowed to speak ,it's a poor show and rude, besides two wrongs don't make a right . that's my opinion as you have yours.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Except he wasn't needing to talk to the crowd.
It was a press conference with over 100 journalists.

With likely questions asked, as in all other Countries afterwards.

Yes, we contribute millions to the EU, we get millions back too via rebate and regional aid.

If he can't be bothered to do a press conference because of opposition to him by fellow Brits there.
Then his chances of getting any deal looks a near no hoper.
To get a deal HE needs the support of all the 27 other EU Nations.
If one refuses, he fails.
Yes, HE fails.

He asked for one inside Joey ,where they could speak, why wasn't that allowed ? it would have been better as it would have been televised and we could have all seen and heard it.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm not forgetting anything,I don't like rudeness , I am the same over Trump , people show themselves up imo when they try and humiliate other people whoever it is. Boris Johnson is trying to honour the will of the people who voted to leave and if he is not allowed to speak ,it's a poor show and rude, besides two wrongs don't make a right . that's my opinion as you have yours.

well he's trying more than Theresa May for sure

Boris isn't a completely horrible PM, as a power hungry attention seeker Farage would be much worse

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

He asked for one inside Joey ,where they could speak, why wasn't that allowed ? it would have been better as it would have been televised and we could have all seen and heard it.

You don't go to other Countries and alter the arrangements of the hosts.
All were already assembled outside.

On the other side what would you think of an EU leader coming here, then refusing to stand at a podium in downing street with our PM to face journalists.
Because of pro brexit supporters chanting.

I'd equally condemn the EU leader as I would any leader not honouring the arrangements of the host.

He should have been the Statesman and made his points, whatever he had.

I don't like this man either but Rees-Mogg didn't run off from protesters when confronted by them, he tried to talk to and with them.
That's commendable at least.

[arista]

The Supreme Court
has stated "Its Purely Political"
what Johnson has done.

No Joke


https://news.sky.com/story/live-prot...court-11811879

[Twosugars]

EU citizens feel more welcome and safer in Scotland than they do in England, university researchers have found.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nd-report-says


Not surprising

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

EU citizens feel more welcome and safer in Scotland than they do in England, university researchers have found.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...nd-report-says


Not surprising

Sure No Surprise

[Twosugars]

The UK’s most senior police officer has criticised Boris Johnson for making a political speech in front of a backdrop of police recruits and expressed puzzlement at how it was allowed to take place.

The Metropolitan police commissioner, Cressida Dick, was away earlier this month when the prime minister was accused of abusing the impartiality of the police by making partisan comments about Brexit and the next election at a police training college in Wakefield.

Asked about the incident on an LBC radio phone-in on Tuesday, Dick joined the West Yorkshire police constable, John Robins, in questioning the prime minister’s behaviour.

She said: “To make a highly political speech in front of a group of police officers does seem to me to be problematic on all sides.” She added: “How it happened, I don’t know. But I’m sure everybody wishes it hadn’t happened.”
The Guardian

[arista]

"has criticised"


Johnson PM /Cummings
do not care.

[Withano]

The ****ing hilarious part is that people voted for this government because they were told they were strong and stable. And people are still listening to their words as if they mean a single jot.

[Twosugars]

I place Brexit supporters in 3 categories:

1) Those who have some interest from a financial perspective. Especially those directly affected by the EU's Anti Tax Avoidance Directive. This would have heavily impacted Britain's dependencies and the financial sector. Whilst this is a minority group, they are very powerful.
2) Immigration: Here there are subcategories. -Those whose livelihood has been genuinely affected by mass immigration (cheap labour, housing, etc). -Those who have a nationalistic/jingoistic agenda (still fighting the war). -And those of a xenophobic/ bigoted persuasion. -Individuals who believed 40 year of misinformation spread by various news outlets.
3) Austerity: This group is made up primarily of those whose lives were directly or indirectly affected by 6 years of austerity. Their motivation was to punish the perpetrators of austerity who were also the champions of the remain campaign, namely Cameron and Osborne.

The Guardian

[bots]

the problem with this whole brexit debacle is that each side is personally insulting the other. It's a simple difference of opinion, and people do not need to justify or be pigeon holed in having that opinion, that is not how democracy works.

People have a difference of opinion, each side should accept it. Any close result is going to be contested, that again is democracy. The whole thing is just getting childish and silly. I am ashamed to be British at the moment, and it's not a good feeling

[James]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The Guardian

I'd say the only one of those 3 reasons that had any effect on the referendum result was 2. Immigration.

When you look at the surveys which show attitudes to Brexit it is the C2, D and E social classes that more support Brexit with the upper and middle classes supporting Remain more.

I doubt most Leave supporters have their savings squirrelled away in tax havens.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by James

I'd say the only one of those 3 reasons that had any effect on the referendum result was 2. Immigration.

When you look at the surveys which show attitudes to Brexit it is the C2, D and E social classes that more support Brexit with the upper and middle classes supporting Remain more.

I doubt most Leave supporters have their savings squirrelled away in tax havens.

Agree. But brexit supporting press magnates and businessmen were instrumental in getting the referendum to happen in the first place. These people are motivated by the tax issue imo.

Re immigration, I wonder how brexit voters will feel when immigration does not decrease post brexit, but change from Europeans to people from further afield.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Agree. But brexit supporting press magnates and businessmen were instrumental in getting the referendum to happen in the first place. These people are motivated by the tax issue imo.

Re immigration, I wonder how brexit voters will feel when immigration does not decrease post brexit, but change from Europeans to people from further afield.

Not only that, but this country already had the powers to restrict EU immigration, the fact it didn't was the choice of governments from both parties, not because they didn't have the legislative ability to do so.

[Tom4784]

The podium debacle is one of Boris' own making. He made himself look like a pussy and a bigger joke than he already is. A real leader would have faced the crowd to make his point, I don't blame the Luxembourg leader one bit for doing what he did.

The truth is it's our own government that is sabotaging us and you can bury your heads in the sand all you want but that won't change what is happening or what will happen.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Not only that, but this country already had the powers to restrict EU immigration, the fact it didn't was the choice of governments from both parties, not because they didn't have the legislative ability to do so.

It's all a con, the successive governments never represented the people on this issue but big business. Big business needs a constant supply of cheap labour. And that's why it will not change.
Anti immigration sentiment was whipped up for the referendum but since then many key brexit politicians made positive noises about continuing immigration.
Not to mention that some big countries will make easing immigration restrictions part of their free trade negotiations. India has already said that much.
All those who are anti immigration and anti immigrants will not get their wish in the "global Britain"