[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Alf

You're all probably right, it's probably a lack of Youth clubs why children are now regularly stabbing each other to death on the streets.

A hug will sort them out.

I don't understand that logic though Alf.....look at all the high profile serial killers of our recent past. The Moors Murderers, The Yorkshire Ripper, Shipman, Fred and Rose West etc etc......all were probably disciplined by smacking as children, didn't stop them from going on and murdering countless victims.

You have no idea if the kids who are out stabbing each other now were hit as kids - maybe they were and so think that carrying out violent acts on each other is allowed coz well their parents hit them

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't understand that logic though Alf.....look at all the high profile serial killers of our recent past. The Moors Murderers, The Yorkshire Ripper, Shipman, Fred and Rose West etc etc......all were probably disciplined by smacking as children, didn't stop them from going on and murdering countless victims.



You have no idea if the kids who are out stabbing each other now were hit as kids - maybe they were and so think that carrying out violent acts on each other is allowed coz well their parents hit them

Exactly

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't understand that logic though Alf.....look at all the high profile serial killers of our recent past. The Moors Murderers, The Yorkshire Ripper, Shipman, Fred and Rose West etc etc......all were probably disciplined by smacking as children, didn't stop them from going on and murdering countless victims.

You have no idea if the kids who are out stabbing each other now were hit as kids - maybe they were and so think that carrying out violent acts on each other is allowed coz well their parents hit them

It usually turns out in most cases of seriel killers, that they were physically or sexually abused, or both as a child.

I'm not talking about abusing a child, I'm talking about a smacked arse for doing wrong, so that a child associates doing wrong with having consequences.

The child doesn't cry because you hurt them with a slap to the arse, the child cries because it knows it's let down, disappointed the person whom gives it love, and they learn a lesson that doing bad things brings a negative to them.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Alf

It usually turns out in most cases of seriel killers, that they were physically or sexually abused, or both as a child.

I'm not talking about abusing a child, I'm talking about a smacked arse for doing wrong, so that a child associates doing wrong with having consequences.

The child doesn't cry because you hurt them with a slap to the arse, the child cries because it knows it's let down, disappointed the person whom gives it love, and they learn a lesson that doing bad things brings a negative to them.

And most children will respond to non-violent means of punishment. I will never agree that a smack is more effective that any other form discipline so we will just go round in circles for hours.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

And most children will respond to non-violent means of punishment. I will never agree that a smack is more effective that any other form discipline so we will just go round in circles for hours.

I'd rather we go around in circles on the debate, than governments dictating how people should bring up their children.

Put the question to the people of Scotland first, before enforcing a law such as this. Where does it stop?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

It usually turns out in most cases of seriel killers, that they were physically or sexually abused, or both as a child.

I'm not talking about abusing a child, I'm talking about a smacked arse for doing wrong, so that a child associates doing wrong with having consequences.

The child doesn't cry because you hurt them with a slap to the arse, the child cries because it knows it's let down, disappointed the person whom gives it love, and they learn a lesson that doing bad things brings a negative to them.

No pretty sure they cry because it hurts

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You have no idea if the kids who are out stabbing each other now were hit as kids - maybe they were and so think that carrying out violent acts on each other is allowed coz well their parents hit them

Well yes, this was part of my decision too tbh. Basically, people who smack to get kids to behave, are teaching them that violence is the way to get what you want. Its also quite ridiculous, as I have heard in a play area before, when a parent smacks their child..the reason? Because they hit another child. So you are punishing a child for hitting and telling them its wrong to hit someone, by hitting them

[Vicky.]

Because there is clearly nothing between smacking a child and a hug?

IDK, I am quite conflicted on this really as I was smacked and as someone (parm?) said, I found shouting to be much much worse than smacking. And yes, kids need discipline and some simply do not respond to the likes of grounding, naughty step, etc.

But what made me think I am against it is basically..lets say a person in a nursing home was regressing and starting to behave like a child, being naughty on purpose, doing unsafe things.noone would think it was fine to just give them a 'bit of a tap' to try and get them to behave. So..I cannot really justify it for kids, despite doing it once myself.

[Alf]

It's the circle of life.

Us humans interfere far too much in nature, sometimes for the good, but sometimes we might think it's for the good, but actually we get things wrong. We're only human, afterall.

[Beso]

To be honest I was smacked as a kid..a lot....

It made me a bit of a **** in my teenage years.

[Vicky.]

I thin most people who are adults now were probably smacked as kids. Seeed to be very common and am sure there used to be a 'rule' that it was perfectly fine aslong as you did not leave a mark, which again is an odd rule..

[Tom4784]

I support this, a reliance on hitting a child as punishment is a mark of a bad parent. Kids shouldn't fear their parents.

[Alf]

Is it fair for me to say that the SNP are national socialists, who are now enforcing laws on the Scottish people?

Or am I wrong?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Is it fair for me to say that the SNP are national socialists, who are now enforcing laws on the Scottish people?

Or am I wrong?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

State your case.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

State your case.

Go and learn some basic facts before you start comparing nazis to SNP bc it is embarrassing

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Go and learn some basic facts before you start comparing nazis to SNP bc it is embarrassing

We know they're socialists, we know they're nationalists, we now see them enforcing a law on the Scottish people, in this thread.

Why is it so wide of the mark?

[Niamh.]

A law not to hit people shouldn't have to be "forced" on anyone, should have always been a thing tbf

[Alf]

All I'm saying is, put it to the vote, let the people decide.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

All I'm saying is, put it to the vote, let the people decide.

Why should voters decide whether or not they should be allowed to hit non voters? That doesn't seem very fair

[user104658]

Alf were you under the impression that a public consultation has to take place every time a new law is brought in? This is not the case in literally ANY country and it never has been

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Alf were you under the impression that a public consultation has to take place every time a new law is brought in? This is not the case in literally ANY country and it never has been

On something like this, when they're attempting to decide for you how to raise your own children, yes.

[Tom4784]

Also Alf? You shouldn't really oppose socialism because republicans do so in the US.... Unless you are saying you oppose such things as the NHS since that by it's very nature would be considered a socialist construct.

[Alf]

And by the way, I'm not opposing Nationalism or Socialism both have great quality's. I'm opposing authoritarianism from governments.

[Strictly Jake]

I know my dad would give me proper whollops as a kid, I had the wooden spoon at some point it snapped in half , I was threatened with a belt I don't think he used it though. I even got pinned to the wall at one time. I was so scared I would pee myself, looking back its not good parenting but I did show him respect. I think I was a very well behaved kid so I don't know what I did to deserve it... That said I get on really well with my dad now

I need to learn to discipline my kids properly I'd never whallop them but I do give a light tap on a hand especially if I have asked a lot of times I'd never use it as a first resort, and I do raise my voice and shout a bit too quickly which doesn't even work anyway so that needs work...