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29-10-2019, 10:53 AM | #1 | |||
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But they had to sign a non disclosure before they were allowed the documents..
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29-10-2019, 11:31 AM | #2 | |||
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Blame being put on the firefighters with regard to the stay put policy
The conclusion of the report: More lives could have been saved if the Tower had been evacuated sooner The correct conclusion All lives would have been saved if the illegal cladding wasn't on the building
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29-10-2019, 11:37 AM | #3 | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartandhp
he London fire brigade’s readiness for the Grenfell Tower fire was “gravely inadequate” and fewer people would have died if it had been better prepared, a long-awaited public inquiry report into the disaster that killed 72 people has concluded. The report into the biggest single loss of life in London since the second world war also ruled that the building had been refurbished in breach of safety regulations and that contrary to the evidence so far of the cladding panel manufacturer, Arconic, “the principal reason why the flames spread so rapidly up the building” was its aluminium composite panels and the “melting and dripping of burning polyethylene”. why would they be prepared for illegal cladding?
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29-10-2019, 11:44 AM | #4 | |||
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is standing down She should have told them all to leave |
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29-10-2019, 11:51 AM | #5 | |||
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That is phase 2 of the report...phase 1 was only about the events on the night. Which are not looking good for the London fire brigade. |
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29-10-2019, 11:59 AM | #6 | |||
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yes maybe they should have evacuated earlier but their policy is to stay put due to the building construction....and I assume like everyone else they would have assumed cladding was to a legal requirement its not down to the fire brigade that the smoke detectors, were not working and that there was only one way out.... all of which the residents had highlighted with the management company for years previously
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29-10-2019, 01:02 PM | #7 | |||
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29-10-2019, 01:07 PM | #8 | |||
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29-10-2019, 01:09 PM | #9 | |||
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29-10-2019, 01:31 PM | #10 | |||
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29-10-2019, 01:38 PM | #11 | ||
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Confused about the content of that tweet. The tweet says that the council asked the assessor to bury the report... the linked article says that the assessor advised the council that they could bury the report.
"Mr Stokes advised the organisation that they did not have to disclose safety risks and risk being obliged to deploy expensive “additional fire safety measures”, the Mail on Sunday reported." |
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29-10-2019, 04:14 PM | #12 | |||
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30-10-2019, 08:48 AM | #13 | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp
Firefighters have accused the Grenfell Tower public inquiry of injustice by focusing on the shortcomings of rank and file officers while failing to scrutinise those in power, including the prime minister, Boris Johnson, who oversaw firefighting in London for eight years as mayor. Matt Wrack, the general secretary of the Fire Brigades Union, said on Tuesday that it was “unfair and unjust” that firefighters were being publicly scrutinised in the long-awaited report being published this week, while political leaders were not. Johnson said on Tuesday night that the report revealed “the truth about what happened at Grenfell tower on 14 June 2017”, and would bring comfort “to those who suffered so much”.
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30-10-2019, 08:52 AM | #14 | |||
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30-10-2019, 08:59 AM | #15 | |||
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Seems like a very corrupt report to me. I am sure there are many lessons to be learned by the emergency services, but that's the extent of the responsibility. As the name suggests, it is a service that is utilised once an emergency has occurred. It would be the same as if the fire fighters were blamed for 9/11
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30-10-2019, 12:05 PM | #16 | |||
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30-10-2019, 12:10 PM | #17 | |||
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Cold blooded bastards, the lot of them.
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30-10-2019, 05:13 PM | #18 | |||
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I think it's unfair that the London fire brigade as a whole is coming under criticism, but the person in charge on the night obviously didn't understand fire...so how they got the job in the first place can only be put down to how they talk the talk..sadly, they couldn't walk the walk.
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30-10-2019, 06:55 PM | #19 | |||
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Yes Bang On Right they were not in the Loop. The 999 people were not updated not in the loop |
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30-10-2019, 07:42 PM | #20 | |||
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It's so unfair them blaming the Fire service when they were the ones that put their lives at risk,surely they should be targeting the council , lack of sprinklers , cheap cladding etc, the blame game will not bring anyone back but surely the people in charge of that building and it's upkeep should be culpable .
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30-10-2019, 08:42 PM | #21 | |||
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I have no words... it's like a month python sketch in its preposterousness.
Who in their right mind given what we know of the errors in the refurbishment of grenfell and the concern of the residents in the weeks leading up to the fire would blam the fire service?! Everyone I've spoke to has said the same. ..cover up.
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30-10-2019, 09:44 PM | #22 | |||
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Almost all the survivors are blaming the fire service I'm afraid. |
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30-10-2019, 10:10 PM | #23 | ||
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Stay put advice is counterintuitive tbf
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31-10-2019, 06:25 AM | #24 | |||
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...the thing is...the survivors and their families are not blaming the Fire Service, though...they’re rightfully looking at fault/blame being apportioned where it needs to be ...which obviously looks at the ‘stay put’ instruction of the Fire Service as well...but there is also frustration because the cladding and design of the building is a huge blame/fault in this ...but it’s going to be quite some time before that report is put together...the two parts of this report should surely have come together as a complete, which would complete the blame/faults that the survivors feel and have expressed...I can’t see why it couldn’t have been done that way...but this way has a long, long time to settle in the public thoughts that the Fire Service are at fault, before the full context of the report is revealed...my heart breaks for those firefighters of how intentionally divisive this seems to be...
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31-10-2019, 10:52 AM | #25 | |||
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Infuriating that the brave Men and Women who risked their lives that night are being thrown under the bus it seems. The people know the truth regardless. RBKC and The Tory party will forever have blood on their hands and they can try cover up their neglect whichever way they like, they can’t hide from the truth.
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