[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Could you elaborate?
You mean he supports Palestinians not israeli occupation?

If you 'talk to all sides' then you surely should engage with the Israeli side as well but he doesn't. Just as he always associated with hardline Republicans in Ireland but wouldn't be seen dead with Unionists

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's just not true it's a widely known antisemitic trope that the Jewish control the banks those types of comments are not coded in any way :/
I'm sorry I don't agree that he only talks to one side that's nonsense what would be the point of that? Objecting to an MP that is able to perform as a facilitator or mediator is for me doing his job well.
Otherwise what's the solution?.. these groups carry on indefinately with no compromise, just mindless violence and heavy handed recourse.

You missed my point - I was saying that no one on the left actually says that but they instead talk about the 'Israel/Jewish lobby' or 'Zionist influence' to push that well known trope in a way that doesn't sound anti-Semitic

The less subtle ones do just flat out rant about the Rothschilds tbf which is slightly less coded

Or, y'know, put up murals like this - which Corbyn was outraged was removed

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by MTVN

If you 'talk to all sides' then you surely should engage with the Israeli side as well but he doesn't. Just as he always associated with hardline Republicans in Ireland but wouldn't be seen dead with unionists.

He seems to be in touch with jewish labour members.

How do you know he never talks to Israelis?
Any proof of that or you just assume?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's easy to focus on whispers about an enemy then confronting an issue in your backyard. There was a quote that Reaper posted recently from a Rabbi which basically said that focusing on the left allows far right extremism, that can and has affected jews, to thrive.

If there is actual evidence of Corbyn being anti-semitic then crucify him for it but at the moment, it just seems like it's the machine in action, the same machine that convinced people to vote against their own interests, that's slowly making out that the NHS is a failing industry in order to sow seeds for privatisation etc.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The fact that 87% consider him an anti-semite is proof of the value of marketing. Are we then to dismiss Jews that actually support Corbyn and also the Jews that are running in the election for the labour party? Are they not real Jews?

Has anyone got actual quotes from Corbyn that prove him to be anti semitic, or is it just whispers? I could find multiple quotes from Johnson that reveal his actual racism. I agree wholeheartedly that Corbyn didn't deal with the issues in the labour party particularly well, but they are at least addressing them, which is more than you can say for the party leading in the polls, that those same 87% will have no trouble voting for.

No one is blameless, but it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that only labour have their issues.

The accusations all come from within the Labour party, not the right wing press or the Tories

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

If you 'talk to all sides' then you surely should engage with the Israeli side as well but he doesn't. Just as he always associated with hardline Republicans in Ireland but wouldn't be seen dead with Unionists



You missed my point - I was saying that no one on the left actually says that but they instead talk about the 'Israel/Jewish lobby' or 'Zionist influence' to push that well known trope in a way that doesn't sound anti-Semitic

The less subtle ones do just flat out rant about the Rothschilds tbf which is slightly less coded

Or, y'know, put up murals like this - which Corbyn was outraged was removed

The Israel/Jewish lobby comment was covered very well by 2s, and as has been well documented by Jewish academics the reason discussions on Israel don't sound antisemitic is because they're not.
Unless you have evidence to the contrary? That mural was commissioned, signed off and worked on for weeks then removed, corbyn explained he had only seen a Facebook pic of the mural. That was unfortunate and a gaffe for which he apologised...

[Twosugars]

A former Labour MP has confirmed he will run as an independent in the general election after the party withdrew its support for him after he backed protesters in an LGBT teaching row.
The Guardian

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

A former Labour MP has confirmed he will run as an independent in the general election after the party withdrew its support for him after he backed protesters in an LGBT teaching row.
The Guardian

He backed the protestors? **** him.

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

that's got to be a first in a GE?

[bots]

if Boris ends up with a landslide we are all ****ed

[The Slim Reaper]

[The Slim Reaper]

A man that doesn't understand his own deal. Let's imagine this was a speech by corbyn, how do you think the press would react to this absolute nonsense?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

that's got to be a first in a GE?

Yes could well be.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

that's got to be a first in a GE?

Best thing to happen for Labour is to get rid of Corbyn,he has made them unelectable by many,but he may just scrape through. It comes to something when members of your own party tell people to vote for the opposition,If he cared about the country and the party he'de step down.

[Liam-]

If former Labour members are actively campaigning for Tory votes, then sorry, but they were never Labour minded, Ian Austin being the perfect example, he’s had several racism issues himself while he was a Labour member, he was an embarrassment to the party and people are acting like it’s a shock that he’s now backing the Tories? Nah, he seems right at home, plus, doesn’t he work for them now anyway? Hardly surprising

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

A man that doesn't understand his own deal. Let's imagine this was a speech by corbyn, how do you think the press would react to this absolute nonsense?

I get all this , but really you are going by what people say who have the similar views as you ,and will never talk about him favourably , the same vise versa that is why I don't take much notice of tweets etc, they all put their own interpretations on things, there is so much negativity about any party if you search for it, not all of it accurate, so for me its all about likability,intent and body language and of course live footage.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I get all this , but really you are going by what people say who have the similar views as you ,and will never talk about him favourably , the same vise versa that is why I don't take much notice of tweets etc, they all put their own interpretations on things, there is so much negativity about any party if you search for it, not all of it accurate, so for me its all about likability,intent and body language and of course live footage.

He's speaking for himself, Kaz. If you watch this and think he's likable with good body language, then it's good that he's met your voting requirements. What he's saying is not true, but he has good intent, I guess?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He's speaking for himself, Kaz. If you watch this and think he's likable with good body language, then it's good that he's met your voting requirements. What he's saying is not true, but he has good intent, I guess?

I will watch it, I admit I skipped it as I thought it was just another tweeter bashing him, I was just really talking about all the tweets etc out there ,that people think will persuade others to their way of thinking , tbh the main thing that puts me right off Labour is an intense dislike for Corbyn.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I will watch it, I admit I skipped it as I thought it was just another tweeter bashing him, I was just really talking about all the tweets etc out there ,that people think will persuade others to their way of thinking , tbh the main thing that puts me right off Labour is an intense dislike for Corbyn.

We all have our reasons for liking/disliking anyone and everyone - and we also have our own irrational likes and dislikes for certain people. For me it's a snooker player called Shaun Murphy.



I know hardly anything about him and I've never met him. I'm not really an aggressive person but there's just something about his smug fcuking face that makes me want to punch it. So I get it. Fortunately for me, taking an irrational dislike to this dude won't have any negative repercussions on the lives of the people I love.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

A man that doesn't understand his own deal. Let's imagine this was a speech by corbyn, how do you think the press would react to this absolute nonsense?

He has basically said that free movement and the single market is a great deal.....but only for NI it seems

[arista]

For Slim

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

For Slim

You believe a man that has a one way relationship with the truth?

[arista]

How Nice Liz
a Fresh bakery

[The Slim Reaper]

Trump has said "everything will be on the table" if we want a deal. At that point we'll be the only major country without a trade deal with it's nearest trading partners. He'll be absolutely desperate to present something to the people.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You believe a man that has a one way relationship with the truth?

He has stated it Publicly
what more can you have?

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Trump has said "everything will be on the table" if we want a deal. At that point we'll be the only major country without a trade deal with it's nearest trading partners. He'll be absolutely desperate to present something to the people.

No Slim
he has back tracked from that OLD statement..................
its not on any table NOW


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