[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is fitting that almost all the MPs who reduced our politics to paralysis have lost their seats

The House of Commons returns today, and one of the most striking changes
will be who is no longer there.


John Bercow is tending to his new career as a television personality, replaced
as Speaker by the less self-aggrandising figure of Sir Lindsay Hoyle. From
Dominic Grieve and David Gauke to Sir Oliver Letwin and Philip Hammond, the
ex-Tory rebels are out, either losing their seats in doomed bids to win as
independents or having pre-emptively decided to leave politics for good.


Those Conservatives who defected to the Lib Dems to campaign for a second
referendum all failed in their attempts to re-enter Parliament. Remainer Labour
MPs for Brexit areas, meanwhile, were kicked out in their dozens.


These are the politicians responsible for turning the last parliament into a log-
jammed, paralysed mess. No constitutional norm or established procedure was
safe from their single-minded determination to thwart Brexit. They hoped to
keep Boris Johnson a prisoner in Downing Street, incapable of moving forward
with his agenda and yet unable to go to the country for a new mandate.


That aspect of their plan fell apart when the Liberal Democrats and the SNP
decided to accept the need for a general election, pressuring Labour to do
the same. In the parallel universe where the general election never happened,
we would be staring at a miserable Christmas of yet more stasis followed by
yet another failure to get Brexit done in January.


It is small wonder that most of the country is relieved. The 365 Conservative
MPs who will take their seats today all ran on a platform of voting for Mr
Johnson’s Withdrawal Agreement, and the Prime Minister has been clear that
he wants to complete negotiations for the trade deal by the end of next
year. The Government has also indicated that it will repeal the Fixed-Term
Parliaments Act, the ill-conceived piece of legislation that enabled the
dysfunction of the past few years.


The people really to be congratulated, however, are the voters. With a few
exceptions, particularly on the Labour front-bench, last Thursday’s election
saw nearly all of those MPs who turned the last parliament into a chaotic
sixth-form debating society of self-indulgent grandstanding and undemocratic
manoeuvring removed from office. For all the talk of the country’s constitution
being broken, at least one part of it has worked exactly as it needed to.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...ng-parliament/

Luckily SNP are still there in force

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Are you really qualified to judge him on his degree ?




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From Balliol College.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Clearly not .. he had great success and achieved an awful lot at Uni

Aww, bless him. He got through uni, give him number 10.

[Twosugars]

Bojo is just a dishonest hack with a talent for bamboozling people.

Looking forward to his premiership. The prorogation on false premises was just a taster

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You keep making out that I'm saying **** about Corbyn when I haven't even ****ed mentioned him unless you have prompted me to. YOU are the one trying to shove words down my throat. Control your goddamn obsession for once.

Your argument is that the public aren't foolish because.... they disregarded policies and experience and voted the Tories, not because doing so is beneficial to their existence.... But because they disliked Corbyn that much... You're not really making a compelling argument, buddy. You're just adding fuel to my fire that the public made a dumb decision based on bad faith and motivations.

Who is ducking and diving? You're the one that keeps focusing on **** I've not said so it's just another case of YOU projecting your own flaws onto me. Stop living in your fantasy world and actually argue against what I'm saying for once, come deal with reality for once.

Your next paragraph is basically 'We don't know so let's hope and pray he'll do well because hopes and prayers are more important than experience and analysis! He has been a terrible prime minister so far, the tories have been woeful since they took power at the start of the decade and the whole 'let's wait and see!' attitude is a waste of time when we already know what's ahead of us. Pretty much everything that's happened since 2016 has been predicted by analysts and experts that the Tories and their supporters have been desperate to ignore. I speak with confidence because, unlike most of the public, I am willing to pay attention to bad news and forecasts and learn from them. After all, you did have Micheal Gove telling leavers to disregard the words of experts because they weren't saying what leavers wanted to hear. There's no point in hopes and prayers, it's a nothing answer and a weak one to boot. No matter who's been leading the party since 2010, the path the Tory government has taken has been consistent. Constant cutting of funds of public services and the NHS, the demonisation of the vulnerable and the implementation of a predatory benefits system that thrives on punishing the people in need of it and more.

Whether it's Cameron, May or Boris, it's been the same and it will continue to be the same and it's foolishness to think otherwise when the writing is on the walls and it's been there for years. I value knowledge over living in ignorance and hoping for the best.

You keep acting offended by my words about the public by making out that I'm branding them with the same brush while it seems like anyone who disagrees with you is some sort of Corbyn stan when, if you actually paid attention to what I'm saying. You'd know that I ultimately don't give a **** about Corbyn. I voted for Labour because they had the most realistic chance of saving the NHS and public services which is the main issue I vote on. From now on, I will most likely vote Green unless Labour can rebuild itself into a party that can challenge Tories which I doubt will ever happen since the Tory Cult is in full operation and will never be convinced to vote for themselves and not for the benefit of their overlords. As always, you have real issues with projecting your own flaws onto other people. You don't have an opinion that doesn't involve Corbyn and I'm honestly a bit worried for you for when your main scapegoat steps down. What will you do without Corbyn? You have a real dependency issue when it comes to him.

Nope, I don’t think everyone who disagrees with me is some sort of Corbyn ‘stan’ - (what a silly word) just you really,(and Kizzy!) as you STILL won’t admit he even shares a fraction of the blame. It is weird that you can’t do that, even when polls and many in his own party say he shared a large part. I have never said he was 100% to blame, I said that the far left armchair revolutionary policies of the party itself played a part too. Why do you ignore that? People didn’t believe and didn’t want their outlandish policies so they voted Tory because they felt it would be in their better interests. YOU are putting words into my mouth and once again using avoidance tactics.

You can’t possibly know, nobody can, how things are going to turn out, no matter how much of a Mystic Meg you think you are. Analysts can only predict, they can’t KNOW. Analysts also predicted how disastrous for the country Labours loony policies would be but perhaps you paid no heed to them. Many obviously did. I don’t know why you think Labour in power would do fantastic things when they are also completely unproven. Unless you believe everything they say automatically.
Johnson has put the NHS at the top of his priorities but you totally ignore that because it seems you don’t want to believe it. You say he's been a terrible PM so far, so what does that say about people rejecting old Steptoe?

FYI I only post here sporadically (and never on social media) mostly because some people here think the Saint can do no wrong, has never done any wrong, and I like to refute that because it’s far from the truth. That's not an obsession, thats an enjoyment of filling people in on their missing information. Many have even thanked me with 'omg, I didn't know that' privately. Blame them for encouraging me....

Anyway, maybe it’s time to leave it now, because you have your views and I have mine and never the twain shall meet.
….and don’t come back with your usual ‘you are ducking out because you are losing’ as you did to another poster, yesterday I think, who remarked to you that there was no point talking to you ‘because it’s always your way or the highway’....

[Twosugars]

I disagree with you Jet too

Labour have good policies, for example renationalisation of railways

64% of the 1,500 adults polled in June 2018 said they would support renationalising the railways. 19% said they would oppose it, and 17% said they didn’t know. The results are similar to other polls done on the question.
https://fullfact.org/economy/do-publ...enationalised/

Tories cant be trusted with nhs

[arista]

UK unemployment falls to lowest level since 1975

Take Note
Twosugars

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50820280

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

UK unemployment falls to lowest level since 1975

Take Note
Twosugars

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50820280

Yeah and people cant make ends meet. Gig economy

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Yeah and people cant make ends meet. Gig economy

"Some" People are having problems
sure,
its a Worldwide Problem.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by jet

Nope, I don’t think everyone who disagrees with me is some sort of Corbyn ‘stan’ - (what a silly word) just you really,(and Kizzy!) as you STILL won’t admit he even shares a fraction of the blame. It is weird that you can’t do that, even when polls and many in his own party say he shared a large part. I have never said he was 100% to blame, I said that the far left armchair revolutionary policies of the party itself played a part too. Why do you ignore that? People didn’t believe and didn’t want their outlandish policies so they voted Tory because they felt it would be in their better interests. YOU are putting words into my mouth and once again using avoidance tactics.



You can’t possibly know, nobody can, how things are going to turn out, no matter how much of a Mystic Meg you think you are. Analysts can only predict, they can’t KNOW. Analysts also predicted how disastrous for the country Labours loony policies would be but perhaps you paid no heed to them. Many obviously did. I don’t know why you think Labour in power would do fantastic things when they are also completely unproven. Unless you believe everything they say automatically.

Johnson has put the NHS at the top of his priorities but you totally ignore that because it seems you don’t want to believe it. You say he's been a terrible PM so far, so what does that say about people rejecting old Steptoe?



FYI I only post here sporadically (and never on social media) mostly because some people here think the Saint can do no wrong, has never done any wrong, and I like to refute that because it’s far from the truth. That's not an obsession, thats an enjoyment of filling people in on their missing information. Many have even thanked me with 'omg, I didn't know that' privately. Blame them for encouraging me....



Anyway, maybe it’s time to leave it now, because you have your views and I have mine and never the twain shall meet.

….and don’t come back with your usual ‘you are ducking out because you are losing’ as you did to another poster, yesterday I think, who remarked to you that there was no point talking to you ‘because it’s always your way or the highway’....

Some great points you made there ..
I found it very irritating to see and hear Corbyn slagging Boris and the Tories off after the embarrassing defeat .. Corbyn was somehow able to see into the future ( when it was far too late) as he told us about all the terrible things that are going to happen now .. joker !!


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Aww, bless him. He got through uni, give him number 10.

Love him or hate him the evidence is there to show he’s an intelligent guy ..

You’re just showing yourself in poor light by mocking his IQ all the time .

Its like suggesting Messi is a rubbish footballer .. just daft


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[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Also, Jet. You keep making out that I'm insulting members of the forum with my views on Tories but WHERE is your condemnation for your friends' comments suggesting that people who don't support Tories are scroungers? Where's your condemnation for such sweeping statements when it refers to the other side?

You won't hear me crying out about it because I'd rather argue properly against such ****, not claim faux offense in order to silence a view I don't like.

Just seeing this post now...
As I said, I'm not here that much and I haven't seen such posts.
I can't see any of my friends saying that people who don't support Tory's are scroungers, I certainly wouldn't agree with that.
Unless they said that SOME who don't support Tory's are scroungers, which, given the law of averages , is certainly possible. Likewise, there could be some people who don't support Labour who are also scroungers.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Love him or hate him the evidence is there to show he’s an intelligent guy ..

You’re just showing yourself in poor light by mocking his IQ all the time .

Its like suggesting Messi is a rubbish footballer .. just daft


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Yeah bc what we need now is someone who read Ovid or Homer in original

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Yeah bc what we need now is someone who read Ovid or Homer in original

Its not the ‘degree’ as such in itself- it is simply the fact that he was able to pass one of THE most difficult subjects available which ironically seems to be lost on a few around here ..all the more impressive considering given he also gave a great deal of time and energy to the student union and student journalism



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[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Love him or hate him the evidence is there to show he’s an intelligent guy ..

You’re just showing yourself in poor light by mocking his IQ all the time .

Its like suggesting Messi is a rubbish footballer .. just daft


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Mocking his IQ all the time? When exactly?

Are you inventing things like Boris?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Love him or hate him the evidence is there to show he’s an intelligent guy ..

You’re just showing yourself in poor light by mocking his IQ all the time .

Its like suggesting Messi is a rubbish footballer .. just daft


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to have a go at a guy who has been mayor of London and PM in terms of drive and intelligence is madness - both positions are democratically elected

i mean come on

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Its not the ‘degree’ as such in itself- it is simply the fact that he was able to pass one of THE most difficult subjects available which ironically seems to be lost on a few around here .

What's "ironic" about it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would suggest that most if not all of the negativity is class based hatred

just my opinion of course

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

to have a go at a guy who has been mayor of London and PM in terms of drive and intelligence is madness - both positions are democratically elected

i mean come on

Trump was elected and he's as thick as two short planks.

Get all giddy over someone's expensive education all you like.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would suggest that most if not all of the negativity is class based hatred

just my opinion of course

I agree. Your negativity does tend to have a classism about it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Trump was elected and he's as thick as two short planks.

Get all giddy over someone's expensive education all you like.

Yes both put their necks on the line and worked hard

May i ask have you ever put yourself forward for public service to help others?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes both put their necks on the line

Yes, both get gold stars for turning up.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

May i ask

No. Unless you can explain what relevance it has. The discussion isn't about me or you. It's about Boris.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, both get gold stars for turning up.



No. Unless you can explain what relevance it has. The discussion isn't about me or you. It's about Boris.

If you continue to slander a man you have never met with illogical and nasty accusations its is most certainly about you and why you are doing this

Iam asking, rightly, if you can appreciate what he has achieved, feel empathy for his journey ?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If you continue to slander a man you have never met with illogical and nasty accusations its is most certainly about you and why you are doing this

Slander? Oh calm down.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Iam asking, rightly, if you can appreciate what he has achieved, feel empathy for his journey ?

Feel empathy for a man who has ZERO for the vulnerable in our society? Not really no.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If you continue to slander a man you have never met with illogical and nasty accusations its is most certainly about you and why you are doing this

Iam asking, rightly, if you can appreciate what he has achieved, feel empathy for his journey ?

You should move to North Korea if you dont like criticising politicians.